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ETA on Stealther Nerf??? [Locked] |
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1/1/00 12:00am
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r0achthegreat posted:
I've played DAoC on and off since the first year it opened. I've been spending most of my time playing a rr4 armsman temped about as good as you can get and occasionally a troll zerker lately. Even though I'm only rr4 on the armsman, I can still kill rr11 tanks, light tanks, and classes like valks. I have never lost to a blademaster even if they're rr12. What I see as being absolutely ridiculous is that many of the stealthers I fight are actually much harder to kill than real tank classes. I'm not talking about crap geared ones, I'm talking about one's temped as good as I am, ML10 stealthers with 2 conflags or whatever.
When fighting any real tank class, we have to beat on each other for seriously 10 minutes straight before someone wins yet I've fought nightshades that unload enough damage to kill me in 60 seconds with poison, poison proc, and astral procs. This is without even landing the PA/CD chain. Isn't it a glaring balance problem when a nightshade is more dangerous to an armsman than their parent light tank class archetype (blademaster)???
It's the same story in every realm, if you hop on a zerker and fight an infiltrator, after he uses weaponskill debuff poison on you, he's now swinging at you for more dps than you're hitting him for, and that doesn't even include the poison damage! Under no circumstance should a stealther be doing more melee damage than a troll zerker, I don't care what kind of poison he uses or if he's dual wielding the holy grail. Stealthers are completely out of whack, period. Once you factor in that you're going to be fighting 2-8 of them at the same time and that shields don't even work anymore, it's complete madness.
The most obvious ways to address these issues:
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1) Stop lieing about beating other high rr tanks.
2) Find some skill.
3) Stop looking for high rr sneaks if you are that bad.
I'm sorry but don't make your lies that see thru.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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ETA on Stealther Nerf??? |
LilmammatruDagger posted:
r0achthegreat posted:
I've played DAoC on and off since the first year it opened. I've been spending most of my time playing a rr4 armsman temped about as good as you can get and occasionally a troll zerker lately. Even though I'm only rr4 on the armsman, I can still kill rr11 tanks, light tanks, and classes like valks. I have never lost to a blademaster even if they're rr12. What I see as being absolutely ridiculous is that many of the stealthers I fight are actually much harder to kill than real tank classes. I'm not talking about crap geared ones, I'm talking about one's temped as good as I am, ML10 stealthers with 2 conflags or whatever.
When fighting any real tank class, we have to beat on each other for seriously 10 minutes straight before someone wins yet I've fought nightshades that unload enough damage to kill me in 60 seconds with poison, poison proc, and astral procs. This is without even landing the PA/CD chain. Isn't it a glaring balance problem when a nightshade is more dangerous to an armsman than their parent light tank class archetype (blademaster)???
It's the same story in every realm, if you hop on a zerker and fight an infiltrator, after he uses weaponskill debuff poison on you, he's now swinging at you for more dps than you're hitting him for, and that doesn't even include the poison damage! Under no circumstance should a stealther be doing more melee damage than a troll zerker, I don't care what kind of poison he uses or if he's dual wielding the holy grail. Stealthers are completely out of whack, period. Once you factor in that you're going to be fighting 2-8 of them at the same time and that shields don't even work anymore, it's complete madness.
The most obvious ways to address these issues:
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1) Stop lieing about beating other high rr tanks.
2) Find some skill.
3) Stop looking for high rr sneaks if you are that bad.
I'm sorry but don't make your lies that see thru.
First high rr sneak that everyone use to try and kill was slitherin(sure i spelt that wrong) but was a rr11 or 12 inf lol
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Nabdya Posts: 34
Registered: 2006-12-4 22:15:47
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1/1/00 12:00am
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Vladasa posted:
Nabdya posted:
Why dont you go make a SB, get him some RR's then come back to me...
B4 the duel-wield loving I wouldnt even bother attacking an armsman, I am still reluctant to hit one...
You do not seem to understand the full scope of things, why would I want to fight a guy that has a good chance to block my perf (and yes it does happen)?
Another question, why would I want to attack a guy that swings just about every hit for the same damage as my perf? (and yes this does happen as well, Freakzillathebabe used to hit me for roughly 1000 dmg every round!!)
Only thing about stealthers that needs a nerf is the Nightshade nukes.
Do you even have a solo kill to your name btw? Why do you care about having DW love or hitting someone when you have 3-7 friends stuck to your rump?
I am 498 short from LE, how many do you have sweetheart? I think you need to brush up on your homework skills...
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Nabdya Posts: 34
Registered: 2006-12-4 22:15:47
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double post =0\
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
ETA on Stealther Nerf??? |
LilmammatruDagger posted:
The most obvious ways to address these issues:
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1) Stop lieing about beating other high rr tanks.
2) Find some skill.
3) Stop looking for high rr sneaks if you are that bad.
Nice try but there is no "skill issue". You can try and twist it however you want but a bunch of random morons playing stealthers aren't supposed to be able to rival or exceed light tank DPS by running up and sticking someone and spamming styles without even using PA/CD. It has nothing to do with me or 1vs1's or anything else, there is supposed to be a significant DPS gap between light tanks and stealthers.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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r0achthegreat posted:
LilmammatruDagger posted:
The most obvious ways to address these issues:
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1) Stop lieing about beating other high rr tanks.
2) Find some skill.
3) Stop looking for high rr sneaks if you are that bad.
Nice try but there is no "skill issue". You can try and twist it however you want but a bunch of random morons playing stealthers aren't supposed to be able to rival or exceed light tank DPS by running up and sticking someone and spamming styles without even using PA/CD. It has nothing to do with me or 1vs1's or anything else, there is supposed to be a significant DPS gap between light tanks and stealthers.
First if you are a armsman you are a heavy tank. Next if you lose to stealthers then it is a skill issue. Because you are the first heavy tank I have heard qqing about losing a 1v1 to a stealther. Most of the time I see tanks sitting around wishing a stealther would hit them. I mean really, I've seen them take out 3 of them at the same time. And here you are crying about 1. It's called OUT------------PLAYED!
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Vladasa  Posts: 305
Registered: 2009-4-1 09:21:12
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Nabdya posted:
I am 498 short from LE, how many do you have sweetheart? I think you need to brush up on your homework skills...
Lone Enforcer on my Warlock, 2200+ solos. Who has 1/2 of your realm points.
700 on my Mentalist, who has AT LEAST 20 million realm points less than your SB.
400 on my SB who has AT LEAST 22 million realm points less than your SB.
Through my many chars I've got 2.5x LE with no BG toons.
So yeah, I might have a solo kill or two. Not bragging, because I don't care about the solo game all that much. But seriously; I don't know why you're talking about SB abilities, killing skill, when you have all your pals with you always rofl? You could sit there spamming Polar Rift over and over and over and you'd still get kills because you roll so deep rofl.
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Date Posted:
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I agree with OP, but in all honesty Mythic has NEVER given a damn about class balance to the degree you suggest.
The. Playerbase roared for YEARS about balance. Mythic did little more than confuse the issue and offer new shiney toys. All but 12% of the ENTIRE subscription accounts threatened to leave DAOC and still Mythic did nothing.
The playerbase bleed began at a steady flow and then a gush and virtual evaporation still Mythic did little to address balance.
Then we realized they don't understand their own game mechanics or the subtle nuances of experience that really is DAOC.
The programmers either quit got reassigned or terminated, even the president of the company lost any control of the product. Its been 10 years + and I come back to DAOC and read the EXACT same posts that wee had 7 years ago.
Your desire, hope, resilience and optimism to channel consensus and balance to combat mechanics is is impressive. But at some point one must wieght reality with vision. The bottomline with DAOC is there is no God in this game. The God you thought existed years ago was just Mythic programmers accidentally opening Pandora's box while trying to rebuild the box itself. And before they knew what they had done she vanished like a myst in their fingers.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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LilmammatruDagger posted:
First if you are a armsman you are a heavy tank. Next if you lose to stealthers then it is a skill issue. Because you are the first heavy tank I have heard qqing about losing a 1v1 to a stealther. Most of the time I see tanks sitting around wishing a stealther would hit them. I mean really, I've seen them take out 3 of them at the same time. And here you are crying about 1. It's called OUT------------PLAYED!
Since you're obssesed with spamming the word armsman over and over. Replace the word armsman with any other tank class in the game. Now assume that tank class is AFK to eliminate any skill variable. A random stealther can run up and attack them without using PA/CD and output DPS rivaling or even exceeding that of a light tank such as blademaster. Since there is supposed to be a significant gap between light tank and stealther DPS, the balance with stealthers is obviously broken.
If you're unable to comprehend simple english, I'll put it plainly for you in one sentence: Stealther melee dps + poison dps added together without even using PA/CD is too high in comparison to light tanks such as blademaster.
This wasn't the case until after the poison revamp.
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Soazak  Posts: 152
Registered: 2002-2-8 06:46:03
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Nabdya posted:
I am 498 short from LE, how many do you have sweetheart? I think you need to brush up on your homework skills...
wow are you serious? aint you rank 12?
1500 solo kills out of 24million RPs, how many total kills?
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