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b0xy  2 stars
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Woodspryte posted:

StanleyM84 posted:

Necro's are not fire wizzy's. They are Tanks with lifetap nukes.

Necro's shouldnt have more melee/spell abs than a tank, do more spell damage than a caster AND be CC immune. That is the epitome of having your cake and eating it too.

Here comes the Necro /whine, "but you can kite and kill a necro so easy. 2 archers can down a necro in seconds /cry."

Response: Thats the way it is for EVERY class. All classes are easy to kill when you know how. A heavy tank can be kited and killed just as easily. 2 archers and the solo tank is done. There is no excuse for necro to have every advantage.



With all of that great stuff you mentioned you forgot to talk about the bad parts of the Necro.

Oversight or typical Necro whine with no actual knowledge on the class?



I'm sure none of these people have actually tried playing a Necro in RvR for any significant period of time. It's one of the most frustrating undertakings in the world, only slightly behind going to the DMV and being a white kid with NBA aspirations.

 

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fignacious
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DemonicXH posted:

All I know is that I've never been nuked by a list caster (outside of bolts) for a consistent 800+ like I get nuked by necros for, but I am not complaining because I can just as easily kill them as they can kill me.


Fignacious your explanation makes a lot of sense but paper DAoC is paper DAoC . I was getting zerged by Hib casters last night and the hardest I was hit was from a animist bomber and it hit in the 500s with a crit, non-crits it was in the 400s. Necros consistently nuke hit me for a lot more then that, granted it comes with a lot of disadvantages which is why their sustained DPS is crap.


In the end, this whole thread is just a QQ because someone got added on by a necro and it nuked them really hard, if it were any other caster it would have been just shrugged off as being added/zerged/etc.



i suppose there is the psychological impact of seeing big numbers. in the heat of battle it's probably hard to notice that the big numbers come at half the speed of ordinary casters. no easy answer to that. can only try and correct people when they complain.

necro RA selection is also part of the problem here. once a necro has purge 4 and maybe a level of ichor and/or neg maelstrom what's left to get? all the standard caster RAs either don't work or are unavailable

- aug dex doesn't help
- MoC is bugged
- don't have the option to pick melee avoidance
- power tap makes serenity useless
- toughness? i'd rather pick spell damage RAs as more damage means more life returned by the LTs

consequently i think most necros just go for the spell damage RAs. this means that when compared to another caster of equal RR, a necro is going to have more points invested in spell damage RAs, thus making the already big numbers even bigger.

some other guy wrote:
>> Necro's shouldnt have more melee/spell abs than a tank,
>> do more spell damage than a caster AND be CC immune.
>> That is the epitome of having your cake and eating it too.

did you read *ANYTHING* i wrote in response to these points?

please stop trolling
perchfu
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Registered: 2002-5-10 12:04:07
The nerf is coming, and it will be glorious. Paper DAoC can say whatever you want it to. 800+ lifetaps and that be uninterruptable for 4 casts is 3200+ damage. It's getting a nerf and rightfully so.

 

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fignacious
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perchfu posted:

The nerf is coming, and it will be glorious. Paper DAoC can say whatever you want it to. 800+ lifetaps and that be uninterruptable for 4 casts is 3200+ damage. It's getting a nerf and rightfully so.



ah thank you for reminding me.

how do i get in on this 800+ lifetap deal? i've MoM6, AA6, +104 int, 48+18 Deathsight spec and i only hit for 599 before crits and resists. how do i get 800+?
Der_Huhn_Teufel  1 star
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Are you running 25% pierce?
Devaster-S-  1 star
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Registered: 2003-1-27 16:54:15
Der_Huhn_Teufel posted:

Are you running 25% pierce?



25% pierce is virtually no different than a Cab, enchanter, or SM debuffing their baseline nuke. Difference being the necro doesn't get variance and will hit hard at any rank.

Necromancers aren't hitting for 800 w/o crits. And the lifetap is slow casting due to pet mechanics. My cab deals much more damage and my cab's MoC lasts for 37 seconds as opposed to the necromancer's lasting 2-3 casts in RvR.

 

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ugo_phelix  1 star
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Registered: 2005-3-20 12:57:42
The entire issue with necro complaint threads is that they always devolve into comparing them to other classes that they shouldn't be compared to.

 

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fignacious
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perchfu posted:

The nerf is coming, and it will be glorious. Paper DAoC can say whatever you want it to. 800+ lifetaps and that be uninterruptable for 4 casts is 3200+ damage. It's getting a nerf and rightfully so.



ok - so it's actually 4 casts of sub 600 damage as surely everyone runs at least CL resists which SP doesn't affect - and probably not even 4 casts as so many classes can now shear/debuff dexterity

are you really calling for nerf for a situation that requires
1. the target to not have any casted resists
2. the pet to not be dex debuffed/sheared
3. the necro to have the template and ability to get 4 casts off
4. the pet doesn't get stunned during the FP (pets are immune to mez and snare only - stuns work just fine)
5. the necro to get 4 high crits in a row (your scenario would require all 4 crits to be 200+ each)

honestly mate - how often do you reckon all 5 of those requirements would be met? particularly the last one?
ugo_phelix  1 star
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Registered: 2005-3-20 12:57:42
oh right.. I almost forgot for a second....

that dex debuffs, shears, stuns, and bad templates dont reduce other casters' dps.

 

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ugo_phelix posted:

oh right.. I almost forgot for a second....

that dex debuffs, shears, stuns, and bad templates dont reduce other casters' dps.



not the point i was trying to make ...

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