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orrime Title: Camelot Vault Staff
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Date Posted:
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Vyxar posted:
daoc is a single player game wrapped into an mmo whose brilliance over EQ was that a player always had a choice of playing alone or grouped to advance. Since advancement in pve is 100% about gear nowadays that contract keeps getting broken in favor of the big epic raid motif. Going all the way back to DF's introduction the "seal" economy has proven better than the "epic encounter" mentality.
I can't remind when what you said was true. When DAoC was released, grouping was like 100 times more effective when it came to getting levels. Likewise, CF/LB/Rauma bosses were all but soloable. Then dragon zones were released and you started seeing raids of thousands (hell, people tried to hide the dragon raids to avoid enemy relic raids at the same time). When DF came out, the super stuff from legion (remember the BT daggers ? <3) and beliathan was designed for party/epic raids.
Then came shrouded island and the epic dungeons. Epic raids again.
Then it was ToA's turn, and I guess that's the climax of DAoC being about epic raids.
The start/stuffing has never been easier than it is now. Back in the classic/SI times, it was only easy because people accepted to deal with lower tier eq.
That being said, I wouldn't mind a ML10 NPC seller.
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ugo_phelix Posts: 111
Registered: 2005-3-20 12:57:42
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Date Posted:
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Anyone who complains about BG leaders stealing loot should just run an ml10 raid themselves. That variable is now removed from the equation.
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Corfel Posts: 510
Registered: 2008-4-3 12:02:45
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Date Posted:
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ugo_phelix posted:
Anyone who complains about BG leaders stealing loot should just run an ml10 raid themselves. That variable is now removed from the equation.
I don't have time to organise a raid and sit around for the 3 hours or w/e to keep it going
Props to those who do
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ugo_phelix Posts: 111
Registered: 2005-3-20 12:57:42
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Date Posted:
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Corfel posted:
ugo_phelix posted:
Anyone who complains about BG leaders stealing loot should just run an ml10 raid themselves. That variable is now removed from the equation.
I don't have time to organise a raid and sit around for the 3 hours or w/e to keep it going
Props to those who do
The weapons must not be that important to you if you can't make the time to obtain them. I'm sure you've spent 3 hours in NF before.
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Corfel Posts: 510
Registered: 2008-4-3 12:02:45
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Date Posted:
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ugo_phelix posted:
Corfel posted:
ugo_phelix posted:
Anyone who complains about BG leaders stealing loot should just run an ml10 raid themselves. That variable is now removed from the equation.
I don't have time to organise a raid and sit around for the 3 hours or w/e to keep it going
Props to those who do
The weapons must not be that important to you if you can't make the time to obtain them. I'm sure you've spent 3 hours in NF before.
You're arguing a stupid point here
The weapons shouldn't be "important" to the point that I have to write off 3+ hours of my life to obtain them - Raids on WoW are quicker than that and at least that game is aimed at raiding for gear
I cannot organise/run and complete an ML10 raid in my 3 hours of gametime or w/e I get
the whole process of getting numbers together, getting to the portal, getting inside, setting up, killing 2/3 times, loot roll...
This all goes on for more than 3 hours
I shouldn't have to put out 3+ hours of my time each day to get 1 item to RvR with
Especially when there's a good chance I'll have to do this more than once if the weapon doesn't drop
Not to mention if you need a substantial real life AFK for half hour or so. 20 people gonna wait for ya?
edit : I'm a casual player, it's why I play a Nightshade solo - so that I can come/go as I please without worrying about others waiting on me etc.
So I shouldn't play this game cause I can't make the time to raid ?
That's basically your logic
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ugo_phelix Posts: 111
Registered: 2005-3-20 12:57:42
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Date Posted:
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No, I'm saying you shouldn't complain. You can play all you want. I'm sorry that the ml10 prices aren't reasonable enough for you to buy 15 ml10 swaps for your nightshade. Most people only need one per character, I don't hear them complaining about the prices nearly as much as assassins are.
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Vyxar Title: Arbiter Elegantiarum
Posts: 329
Registered: 2002-3-13 04:54:08
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
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orrime posted:
Vyxar posted:
daoc is a single player game wrapped into an mmo whose brilliance over EQ was that a player always had a choice of playing alone or grouped to advance. Since advancement in pve is 100% about gear nowadays that contract keeps getting broken in favor of the big epic raid motif. Going all the way back to DF's introduction the "seal" economy has proven better than the "epic encounter" mentality.
I can't remind when what you said was true. When DAoC was released, grouping was like 100 times more effective when it came to getting levels. Likewise, CF/LB/Rauma bosses were all but soloable. Then dragon zones were released and you started seeing raids of thousands (hell, people tried to hide the dragon raids to avoid enemy relic raids at the same time). When DF came out, the super stuff from legion (remember the BT daggers ? <3) and beliathan was designed for party/epic raids.
Then came shrouded island and the epic dungeons. Epic raids again.
Then it was ToA's turn, and I guess that's the climax of DAoC being about epic raids.
The start/stuffing has never been easier than it is now. Back in the classic/SI times, it was only easy because people accepted to deal with lower tier eq.
That being said, I wouldn't mind a ML10 NPC seller.
Not sure what you are trying to say....bc of the broken english but I will say this.
Even if it's 100 or 1000 times more effective you could solo your character up and many many people did it back then. But back then EXP was the primary character advancement not gear. In practice what this did was make it so people would start something by themselves or with one or two buddies and then because it was more effective to group up and be cooperative people did that. Even the epic zones and darkness falls were laid out in a way that you could do _something_ and move forward a little bit if you were on your own. There was a nice spectrum of activity.
Fast forward to today. Everyone is capped at lvl 50 so everyone is looking for the same gear. It's all binary. You either can do it or you can't even come close and have nothing to do. When you have nothing to do you go play a different game.
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ugo_phelix Posts: 111
Registered: 2005-3-20 12:57:42
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Date Posted:
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ML10 Prices (Take note JohnT/Kai) |
Vyxar posted:
Fast forward to today. Everyone is capped at lvl 50 so everyone is looking for the same gear. It's all binary. You either can do it or you can't even come close and have nothing to do. When you have nothing to do you go play a different game.
And yet people still find ways to get 49 in 1 day, rr5 in 2 weeks, ml10, and cl10 geared, templated (with ml10 items), with practically no effort. And still have plat. Without doing any of epic pve profanity. There's tons of ways to make plat in this game, I feel bad for the people who are so unsatisfied with the current simple state of pve.
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Vyxar Title: Arbiter Elegantiarum
Posts: 329
Registered: 2002-3-13 04:54:08
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Date Posted:
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Subject:
ML10 Prices (Take note JohnT/Kai) |
ugo_phelix posted:
Vyxar posted:
Fast forward to today. Everyone is capped at lvl 50 so everyone is looking for the same gear. It's all binary. You either can do it or you can't even come close and have nothing to do. When you have nothing to do you go play a different game.
And yet people still find ways to get 49 in 1 day, rr5 in 2 weeks, ml10, and cl10 geared, templated (with ml10 items), with practically no effort. And still have plat. Without doing any of epic pve profanity. There's tons of ways to make plat in this game, I feel bad for the people who are so unsatisfied with the current simple state of pve.
huh??
people buy plat.
people power leveled so much that mythic made a whole ton of quests so that people didn't power level anymore.
rvr is not really the topic so no clue how you think that relates.
if you think people should have to farm just to get plat just to buy all the items they need you should be playing a facebook game.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
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With Mythic actively going after macro farmers, what about lowering the respawn timer for ML10? If raids could do 1 or 2 more Draco kills in the same amount of time it takes today, that's more loot being added to the economy which could drive prices down.
Not saying an ML10 merch wouldn't be nice, just that there are other options as well.
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