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Author Topic: Why Mythic should fix double spec on Polearm and Twohand within Albion [Locked]
PasswordLLOTH  3 stars
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Registered: 2007-6-13 17:45:05
i didnt know you could parry/evade from behind

 

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Saxona  1 star
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Registered: 2003-11-17 19:40:46
PasswordLLOTH posted:

i didnt know you could parry/evade from behind

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PowPowParn  2 stars
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Registered: 2005-6-12 19:11:48
defenders cheese > all

 

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Thak0r  1 star
Posts: 170
Registered: 2009-7-21 02:56:50
Vanesyra posted:

plate abs is much overrated. having only +10% evade or parry will easy fill that grab. warrior and hero got that... that is simple math ;-) i have not done all that tests to go over that over and over again ^^ watch the wiki for the formulas and run tests to prove that on your own! PLATE ARMOR IS NOT THAT EVIL! god damn that myths... shouldn't they go away in the new year?



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and ok, you can change doublespec the way you supposed it and plate is replaced by slash vulnerable hib scale. ty!

 

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ugo_phelix  1 star
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Registered: 2005-3-20 12:57:42
Maybe what Vanesyra is saying is...

Not to remove double spec for alb tanks, but to mitigate the damage reduction from having not reached composite spec?

 

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Vanesyra  1 star
Posts: 108
Registered: 2009-12-8 17:31:44
again... i do not want to do that class compare over and over again here. it's not my point...

i also do not want to remove double spec at all. i want to keep it! but i want it to be fixed in a way so that it is no longer doubled pain for low rr people. you still need to spec extra points into it without getting a benefit. but you do not get punished that hard for it when being low rr.


@Grish11
all the hybrids you are talking about HAVE defense spec lines. they can train in parry and or shield with the points they save because they do not have double specing penalty. and again, i do not want to remove the need of double specing... i just want a little change to be done so that low rr players do not get punished that hard because of it.


@Saxona
i think we both agree that the grab between a rr1 and a rr12 armsman / paladin is bigger then it is for a hero, warrior, thane, champ and so on. that is simple math, that i have provided here. all i wanna do is changing that so that the grab is getting equal. that enables you in a LATER step to do balance changes between the classes, that are simply not possible yet because of the different performance on different RRs. for example if a rr1 armsman is balanced in compare to a rr1 warrior, the armsman will out perform the warrior at rr12. but if the armsman is balanced at rr12 to the warrior, the warrior will out perform the armsman at rr1. with the change i am talking about he is balanced (or not) at any rr. if you need to do balance changes you can do them much more easy, because you do not have to look onto the different performance on different RRs. (but again, that's another topic)

the armsman will not get a huge buff on low rr within rvr with that change (especially if you think your way and say "that little more points for parry will not change anything" ). the paladin is the one that suffers most on low RRs. all i wanna do here is changing it so that its equal on all RRs. i don't wanna remove it at all...

also that is not hardcore paper daoc that has no practicality on the battlefield. in the end this is stuff why you loose or do not loose a fight. you should start looking on the bigger picture and how stuff works. you will find many answers and many reasons for lost fights in there. you will find strength and weakness on many stuff. for example you total underrate the additional parry / evade... start making use of it.


@PasswordLLOTH
the question is: what is movement?


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PasswordLLOTH  3 stars
Title: i can haz title
Posts: 517
Registered: 2007-6-13 17:45:05
Vanesyra posted:

@PasswordLLOTH
the question is: what is movement?


so instead of peeling like you're supposed to you'll be meleeing face to face with an enemy tank while your group gets raped?

 

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Vanesyra  1 star
Posts: 108
Registered: 2009-12-8 17:31:44
@PasswordLLOTH
makes no sense at all what you are telling us...

if you do solo rvr, it is movement to get your enemy in front of you.

if you do group fights. you do not care about a armsmans or paladins plate armor when peeling them. but evade, parry and block will help you, if you got a bit of movement, to make it harder for them to peel you.

so what's your point?
gervaise1  1 star
Posts: 63
Registered: 2003-7-30 17:41:30
People have been discussing this since day 1.

It is real and the 'alb get plate excuse' - if it was ever intended to be a counter against plate died when they added weapon bonuses vs, armour types. (If you spec. 2H of course you have the option to change weapons).

Nothing has been done; and Mythic said many times that nothing was going to be done. So - however deserved, worthy or desired it may be I can't see it changing.
GardianAngel  2 stars
Posts: 333
Registered: 2003-7-29 21:47:48
gervaise1 posted:

People have been discussing this since day 1.


It is real and the 'alb get plate excuse' - if it was ever intended to be a counter against plate died when they added weapon bonuses vs, armour types. (If you spec. 2H of course you have the option to change weapons).


Nothing has been done; and Mythic said many times that nothing was going to be done. So - however deserved, worthy or desired it may be I can't see it changing.



Thats what she said....

 

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