lol, no doubt. I think someone needs to reevaluate their math skills too:

Let's say a Thane with 0% RP in his temp is DDing someone right now does 300 BASE damage, for ease of calculation. This target has 36% Energy and thus the 300 is taken down to 192 damage. Now with the new 10% RP buff, the same exact Thane in exactly the same temp will nuke the same target for 222 instead! That's not 10 damage, that's 30 more damage and translates into a whopping 15.6% boost to your DPS.

Now of course caster Thanes always had 10% RP before, so this change is about making Thane templating easier, and not boosting Thanes nuking damage!

For what it's worth, I congratulate Thanes on their new changes.

I am a little baffled they get everything they asked for and more without any regard to logic, but as I've said it won't grossly OP Thanes even if they don't need it as much as people here claim. The 10% RP irks me from a Heretic PoV, it's never nice to see unique abilities <ToS>ed out to other classes without much thought or regard, but that's how the ball bounces and it's not worth getting emo about.

This patch is great all around!

Even if the Reaver change is controversial, it is exactly what Reavers needed to get groups, and perhaps even Albion needs to create competitive melee groups. You have great love for Animists, Chanters, and BMs in there...all much needed. Same for the Ranger boost and the slight NS magic nerf. Very good and on-target changes if you ask me, even if some sound a bit OPd right now.

GJ on this patch so far Mythic!

 

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It's rather something that to a degree fix layered problems.


For example, there's just a few other melee-hybrids that got about as bad templating potential as the Thane.

Most melee and melee-hybrid classes could get extremely good templates. and while not as crapastic that it used to be, thats not just possibly for the Thane(my, to present day, best template ever, gave my Thane, fully buffed a whooping 2240 hp, 5 shield and 4 parry, and still not really good resists - and as usual, rather bad quickness).


But... the few other melee-hybrids with the same problem?

Not really, because those few classes got quite nice ways of making up for that by very nature of the individual class.

- VW, Lifetaps(+ the pbaoe-root style, that help the VW to manage inc enemies(or fleeing for that matter, to some degree).

- Valkyries, Heals, instant heal, HoT and friggs(and probably a nice overall amount of bonus to healing in template and maybe from ra's - helping all but frigg and HoT).

- Heretic, strong heals and lifetapstyles(not dependant on qui really, due to the fast(for the most part) flex weapons), + likely to have good healing bonus.

- Warden(not really "melee", but why not throw it in), pbt, heal proc buffs, HoT, etc + good healing bonus.

- Friar, heals, HoT,s, heal proc buffs, style proc heals.

- Reaver(?), instant lifetaps, lifetap dd proc styles, no real need to template qui, nor stuff like casting speed etc, and got chain HoT proccing hauberk.


Perhaps the Minstrel as well, need quite a few things in template? But just as those other classes that could have problems templating, they too got the means of avoiding, absorbing, healing etc.


The melee and hybrid-melee classes that got no way of healing, all got it Very easy to template, for maxed resists, maxed HP, maxed con(or as good aa maxed), none or one crafted armorpart(lots of good procs, heals, a hot, ora % based heal, that in the Thanes case give ppor return due to quite low hp - compared with something with 2900-3400 hp, not a big thing in itself, but things stat to stack, so to say, etc).


Thus, is this more of fixing/balancing, and actually not near "a bit too strong".

Axe 50 Axe won't yield less dps, then a 44 or 50 hammer spec, and sword still got the really good weapons.


Well, thats a bit of the whole part, I could go on, but I have to eat now, hehe.

 

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Because a Troll 2H Axe Thane would be stupid in the damage they do.

 

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If they land a hit maybe.

 

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Not if.....when they land a hit

 

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You're creating a class selection of your own, in which the only guy which has trouble templating is thane. If you want to talk about the troubles some classes have with templating, go ahead, do it. But don't build artificial criteria ("oh but look, this one has a lifetap so it's ok if he's at trouble with temps", "that one got heals", etc). Because if you go that way, valewalkers are the only class-that-is-truly-hybrid-but-can-only-wear-cloth-and-has-not-access-to-that-wonderful-race-which-is-Necrite with templating problems, and pretty much every other class will find a way to look like they are miserable.


Also by the way, I don't believe any hybrid other than vamp can get such HPs as you cited.

It's kind of you allowing me to talk about several other classes and their ups and downs, but I choose in that post to focus on the Thane, I'm sorry if that wasn't obvious - I'll try to make it easier. And to be clear, it was the Thane class I did write about, not "creating a class selection of your own".


I see you miss alot of my points. For one, I mention both melee classes And melee-hybrids. Melee classes such as light and heavy tanks have no problems reaching that kind of HP.


And of course you're entitled to your own opinion, but unlike you it's not just what "I" think, but the thoughts and problems, regarding the class - of many players that play the Thane often - and got a good understanding of the game as a whole.

And if most players ain't enough, we could bring in Mythic(why would they decide upon something, they didn't agree upon?).

Thus we don't need to rely on my extensive experience regarding melee and hybrid classes, and especially the Thane .


You could disagree all you want, that the patch ain't bringing balance to a class that have needed it for a long time(yeah, several other classes need it as well, but now we're discussing the Thane, and it's balance, and the reasons why so many players feel and think this class had to be fixed) - but you'll have both experienced Thane players and actual performance against you.


I'd be glad to explain further, if needed?

 

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Templating thanes was hard. Now thanes don't have to worry about fitting pierce into their templates. This, in combination with the changes to the hammer line should bring Thane melee to a place where people aren't whining about it.

 

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Thats ^^ the simple way of saying it!

 

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My Thane is ready if this goes live!!!!