According to the license agreement, you may not.


However, any crashing issues with Make It are not due to any code specifically disallowing it, though obviously, it is an untested scenario.

No, not according to Gouru ... "you agree to not use the program on machines with programs installed that are capable of Combat Macroing. The two most obvious of these are El Tank and Lifetank. "


To not be in violation of that sentence, you can't have ElTank even installed on the machine that you have It! installed on. Even if you don't use it, ElTank has the CAPABILITY. Heck, he doesn't even want you using arrows made with It! with ElTank.

I was referring to plugin developers and decal developers. If you want to get picky, Turbine has done mkore then anyone, since they MADE the UCM rules and hired +enoys to cunduct UCM tests.


Elgar is the only developer of a combat macro that has taken several different approaches to combat macroing; at least that I've ever heard of. I don't think he gets enough credit for his work, and now with the key stroke timers...i supopose it's his fault that people work around that by using a "drinking bird", or using a simple actool macro?


Not his fault at all. Since Einstein was nuked, Eltank has become the best plugin there is, both in functionality and the sreapd of things it does. And now with hosts of other plugins MIA or dead, Eltank is really the only option. Quite a bit of what else is out there at the moment are really quite terrible and or buggy, they lack ease of use and functionality and many of them lack documentation; and that's unfortunate.

 

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as can be seen in this thread by Gouru: http://forums.acdev.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=18403#18403


He says:


"In my mind, using Sort It! to sort stuff that ElTank picked up is 'using them together' even if they are not running at the same time. Using Make It! to make arrows that Lifetank uses later when macroing is 'using them togeither' even if not run at the same time. So 'in my mind' having both installed is 'using them together', but I perhaps did not make that clear in my license messages."


so to me, that would be read as against his EULA.


Having them both enabled at the same time, and using them in conjuction with eachother is definately against his EULA.


As is creating arrows/potions for later macroing purposes.

I'll admit that Elgar has done more than other COMBAT MACRO developers to reduce the chances of his plugin being used in CoC violating activity. It's definately better now in terms of UCM than it could otherwise be without the protections at all.


Along those same lines however, both myself and Gouru had specified the appropriate changes which can be made to ELTank to bring it in full copmliance with both Gouru's EULA and with how we feel a true "Playing Aid" should be created to follow the CoC.


If Elgar were to make ELTank the mage equivalent to the Melee, then it would be inline. No auto-attack. Also depending on who you talk to, auto-vuln or 1-shot vuln/kill might be bordering on gray area.


To me, I personally would like to see 1 keypress to vuln, and another keypress to repeat-attack kill. If ELTank did that, I'd be more than happy to call it a playing aid. Until then, it is a swiss-army macro.

But as you point out, that CHOICE is up the the plugin author. Elgarl has made his choice to listen to the people who use is plugin and not to your suggestion. So has Gouru and his plugins.


Elgar isn't the one saying he has a problem wih It!, it is the other way around.


Such are their choices.


Just pointing that out (as I was done before), Gouru doesn't even want you using the arrows made with his program for use in Eltank. Maybe you might want to consider making ACDC aware of ElTank and LifeTank. I mean ACDC is a pretty popular program, and I know for a fact that many macroers use your program to allow them to run multiple copies of UCM programs on one machine. I mean if you REALLY want to "clean up" the world, that would be a very logical place to start ... with your own program.


I wonder what his stance on the use of his programs and say ... Mule Trader ... I mean I could see a possible objection to having an "Unattended Fletching Macro" being used in conjunction with a Trade Bot. I mean in effect, you are advancing your characters wealth by macroing (first making the arrows, then unattended selling of them).


No, the more I think about it, the better it would be for It! to be aware and have the programs not work with other programs, that way people don't have to pose so many questions on what is the "proper use" of his creations.


After all, we wouldn't want SweetMary to hack into peoples computers and take control of their bots like she did with LifeTank now would we?

Ok so how far does this EULA go? I have two machines, one machine has never ran Tank, and I have MakeIt! installed on that to make Quarrels and trade health elixirs. Now I use the Quarrels and THE's on the other machine which has Tank installed. And I do not use it for macroing, at all. In any form attended or unattended.


So that is where I have a real issue with the EULA, I use Tank for the Experience tracking, Equipping, loot tracking, navigating, HUD systems. If that is inconsistent with the spirit of the EULA I respect that, and I'll disable MakeIt until another plug in comes along that can provide the XP/Component HUD that Tank Does. I believe there are other plug ins to cover the other things I use Tank for.


I wish this EULA had been disclosed earlier, I still would have made a donation, but Tank's donation probably would have been larger.


I wish that there was a way you could disable Tank's combat macro functions by the end user so that it displayed it in the fellow chat. Like ElTanklite... or ElTankfree etc...

Tevatron: it was disclosed earlier..


it was disclosed when you clicked the "Accept" button when installing the It! series of plugins.


I know most people don't even read those, but you really should. Sometimes they actually contain important information.

Truth is I have done the most to get rid of UCM... I have done so much that I have not seen one for quite a while... if you don't believe me, just ask and I will tell you again... and if you do not agree you are just wrong... (Kidding because I think the whole point is silly)


Gouru has taken a stand, he has requested that folks that use his tools not use a small segment of the tools available... ok, they are currently a large segment because the number of tools are so limited...


He has not taken the more drastic stand to disable his tools if those tools whose use he has chosen to disagree are also installed, he has asked that they not be... and defined the limits he asked folks that use his tools to use and then left it to the users...


I would even have to say that Gouru has gone so far as to take it upon himself to make and maintain tools that cover every part of those tools he disagrees with except for the parts he disagrees with... ok, most of the parts... ok, some of the parts... but tomorrow will bring more... or the day after... or at least some of them that are not covered by tools that he agrees with.


That we choose to abide by Gouru's request is not a reflection on Gouru, but a reflection on ourselves... Gouru's stand is quite evident, those that choose to ignore it should be ashamed of themselves...


I would again like to direct you to the memorable post by Ibn (long before the CoC error) were it still available, that defined UCM as any Macro running, while you were unable to respond to +Envoys and affecting Combat... thus making Make-it a Non-Combat UCM Program... as is Castaway and several other plugins... This shows the difference between a principled stand "Please don't use my tools if you have tools installed that do this" and the vague issues that have been used in the past... We all know that Make-it is not a UCM program, but the language used to define UCM would make it so...

tevatron, your use would not be in violation of the letter of the EULA. and it's probably not inconsistent with its spirit, either.


-ken