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Anebriated  3 stars
Title: I should be reading a book
Posts: 650
Registered: 2003-1-27 21:26:11
children do not have fully developed frontal cortices. the fact that you want the state to murder one is the saddest thing i ever heard.
levgre  3 stars
Posts: 606
Registered: 2001-10-24 07:24:49
NonOffensiveName posted:

levgre posted:

20 years in prison is on par for murder. Emotional motivations do not upgrade murders to first degree. Learn a little bit about the law, you nub.

Premeditation does though. So does the fact that he was charged with a hate crime. I think you should take some of your own advice "nub"



Pre-meditation, in a legal sense, is not as clear cut or easy to prove as you think. Especially when you have a stupid teenager who was being provoked. The defense could make an argument he was just bringing the gun to scare the person, or wasn't sure if he wanted to kill him or not.

Okay, so add another year or two for a hate crime. You'd still be complaining. You want this upgraded to 1st degree murder, you want blood.

 

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NonOffensiveName  3 stars
Title: Touching people in special places all day long
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Registered: 2001-10-7 19:39:14
_sooz_ posted:

Im only here to ask you one question: So abortion is "murder", but the death penalty is just fine and dandy?

you forfeit your right to life when you forcably and knowingly take the life of another...thats why abortion IS murder.

 

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Anebriated  3 stars
Title: I should be reading a book
Posts: 650
Registered: 2003-1-27 21:26:11
it's not Non's fault. his brain is just wired in such a way that his limbic system explodes when something 'wrong' happens and he comes to the conclusion that vengeance must be had. I just kind of made that up but it's nevertheless a very emotional decision. non sounds a lot like the father of the victim in an apoplectic rage. i hope i spelled that right. he is emotional and not thinking rationally, just like non.

not trying to put you down but, face the facts?
regulator_cracka  4 stars
Title: They finally recognized greatness.
Posts: 3,726
Registered: 2009-1-6 15:07:53
Lot of gay walls of text up in here.

 

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_sooz_  4 stars
Posts: 1,256
Registered: 2004-12-4 11:40:44
NonOffensiveName posted:

_sooz_ posted:

Im only here to ask you one question: So abortion is "murder", but the death penalty is just fine and dandy?

you forfeit your right to life when you forcably and knowingly take the life of another...thats why abortion IS murder.



By your logic, those who perform the death sentence are also murderers. They are forcibly and knowingly taking another's life. Where does it end? Two wrongs never make a right.

Also, the definition of murder is to illegally kill something. Abortion is legal, therefore not murder.

 

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aurther-the-leader  1 star
Title: Omnipotent Anarchist
Posts: 69
Registered: 2001-8-1 19:45:25
two fewer wastes of space in society good riddance to em both. not enough natural selection anymore neither fit well into society so you wont see me get riled up over either of them.

 

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regulator_cracka  4 stars
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Great troll though! You really got the hatives restless with this one.

 

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Gaevren  4 stars
Title: Wat do?
Posts: 1,181
Registered: 2004-9-15 09:29:36
The odds are that if these same circumstances had happened between two straight kids, he would have gotten the same sentence. Let's just say the one straight kid was bullying/harassing the other (albeit not sexually) and no one was doing anything to stop it. So the harassed kid starts feeling kind of desperate and tells someone he's gonna bring a gun and take care of things himself.

As I recall, the jury went with the second degree conviction instead of first degree because they felt it was more appropriate under the circumstances- being that he was feeling trapped with the harassment and that he couldn't get any help from the school administration, and probably felt like he didn't have much else in the way of options. Plus the fact that he was a kid. He's 17 now and this happened 4 years ago, didn't it? So he was 13? Yeah. A kid.

Plus, the sentencing is generally the same for second and first degree murder charges, excepting capital punishment. Hardly getting off "almost scot free".

 

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Jezza_Belle  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-2-24 02:29:30
_sooz_ posted:

NonOffensiveName posted:

_sooz_ posted:

Im only here to ask you one question: So abortion is "murder", but the death penalty is just fine and dandy?

you forfeit your right to life when you forcably and knowingly take the life of another...thats why abortion IS murder.



By your logic, those who perform the death sentence are also murderers. They are forcibly and knowingly taking another's life. Where does it end? Two wrongs never make a right.

Also, the definition of murder is to illegally kill something. Abortion is legal, therefore not murder.



Why oh why did you have to open up that can of worms? NON's responses already make little sense, now you're going to make it worse.

 

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