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Author Topic: Wow even in 2012, you can shoot a gay kid in cold blood and get off almost scot-free for it. [Locked]
NonOffensiveName  3 stars
Title: Touching people in special places all day long
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Registered: 2001-10-7 19:39:14
levgre posted:

Kanga_Roo posted:

Personally I think murderers and child molesters should go in for life in 95% or more of cases.

With that said 21 years for a juvie is not inconsistent with what I see as normal sentencing in this sort of case. I'm not seeing a different standard here.



The point of the legal system is not in just giving people what they "deserve". Eye for an eye justice is generally pretty fair, but retribution is not the only goal.

It's understandable to give leniency to criminals who can change their ways. Youths are prime examples of this of this.

20 years behind prison walls will seem like a lifetime for a prisoner, especially someone who has only lived for 13-20 years. Now will giving them a sentence beyond this benefit society in some way? I think there is generally diminishing returns.



So what makes it so crystal clear that he can even "change his ways?" If someone is so ruthless that they would shoot someone in front of multiple witnesses in cold blood(albeit he was provoked) but to do something like that I just dont see any hope for them at all. But honestly thats beside the point. Like you said the legal system isnt just about getting the bad guy its to help bring closure for the family and to bring justice for the wronged victims. In both of these respects the system failed.

 

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RavofMT  2 stars
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Registered: 2008-5-24 08:06:20
This is one of the saddest stories Ive read in a long time. - Non -- LOL?

The gay kid was not right in what he did to provoke the boy to shooting him let me make that totally clear. He was very much wrong but that doesnt give the other boy the right to shoot him and take his life because of it.- Non -- Ok, you make a point.


This behavior does not justify the use of deadly force unless the gay kid at the time was literally trying to force a sexual organ down the straight kid's throat or anus or something. - Non -- Wait.. Didn't you just say....?

The defense made no bones about why the kid was shot, it was because he was gay. - Non -- Was he JUST gay? I know many gay people, but THIS particular gay goes to the extreme. If he has no boundries, who says he didn't sexually assault the shooter? And not you, me, or a court can draw that line to what is excessive. Every soul has different breaking points. Especially a underdeveloped teenager.

How fast do you think a jury would convict me if I went out to a bar and a women hit on me and I pulled out a gun and blew two holes in the back of her head for it and then tried to claim it was just "straight panic"? - Non I can't tell if this is a troll, but comparing your story of a *gay* adult male with a women, to a teenager who was sexually assaulted by another boy.. Again I can't tell if this is troll, but I will point it out.

how exactly can I be a homophobe when Im gay myself? lol - Non To folowup on another statement you made, I was unaware of another sexual organ males have. Can you explain to me this other?

and if it was a girl throwing himself at the straight kid Im sure he would've shot her in the back of the head too right? plain get real, you cant separate the two - Non Your special gay teen created the situation. Don't try to change the story and assume how the shooter would act.


I just cant see unwanted sexual advances justify killing someone no matter how bad it is. - Non Does this also void your sexual organ in anus comment?

you forfeit your right to life when you forcably and knowingly take the life of another...thats why abortion IS murder. - Non One could say gays forfeit their right to life, since they can't produce life.

The only reason he got a reduced sentence was the jury didnt want to convict him because they made the victim out to be some kind of sex predator who deserved what he got. - Non His own mother, along with friends, teachers clearly said she saw this coming. Is it not his fault as much as the shooters then? If he was still alive, I'd assume there would be a good chance he may sexually assault more boys.

Im sorry but sexual harassment STILL isnt a justification for murder no matter how bad it is - Non Again, you say this. How can you justify this at all, unless you have been sexually assaulted/raped?

Im sure that if he pressed hard enough he could've gotten ONE person to at least listen to him at the school - Non I'm sure I read somewhere he told people he was going to do it, hence why you call his actions premeditated cold blooded murder.

I dont know what 14 year old couldnt appreciate the fact that shooting someone in the back of the head with a gun wont kill them unless they are literally mentally retarded. - Non Because the shooter shot the gay in the back of the head, it leaves me to believe he was disgusted by his sexual assault towards him.

But that'll never happen since the bias people on the jury protected him. - Non You could call the gays whole community of being bais since they all knew something was going to happen sooner or later, just not to this degree.

So what makes it so crystal clear that he can even "change his ways?" If someone is so ruthless that they would shoot someone in front of multiple witnesses in cold blood(albeit he was provoked) but to do something like that I just dont see any hope for them at all. - Non He did the crime, he is doing the time. And he has 20+ years of jail/therapy/counselling to change his ways. And he already regrets his decision. A stone cold hate crime killer wouldn't have these feelings.
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Gay thread is gay.

 

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_Elwood_  1 star
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Registered: 2001-5-18 10:31:44
i thought gay kids liked getting it shot all over their face.

 

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_Elwood_ posted:

i thought gay kids liked getting it shot all over their face.





 

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