U should have a Happy Holiday
U should not let a childrens game concern you so much.
U should consider the ramifications of who you voted for.
U should recognize a troll post when you C it.
U shld not use txt speak @ a ful keybrd.

Happy Holidays and may God be with you all even if you don't see him.

I don't bother reading up on instances beforehand, nor to read guides like this. I learn as I go, which does mean that on the first go I'll probably do something stupid if no one warns me about it. If you queued for a PUG, you get to deal with it - I definitely don't care enough to play the way you want me to play.

This thread makes me sort of want to resub, just to annoy [people].

THIS is one of the biggest problems with WOW, PERIOD.

You admit that you will put up with mistakes from guildies because "you know them, and they are trying to do their best".....

So, when a mistake happens in a PUG, you are saying that YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE that the party is "trying to do its best" is the problem, and I agree 100%.
You don't KNOW these people, so you automatically label them as "bad", when it was probably just a simple mistake to begin with...except this person will not be available to stroke your e-peen in the wee hours of the morning like your guildies do, so you turn YOUR lack of knowledge into the blame game that echoes throughout this thread.


So you see, Korrigan, the problem when you are in a PUG is YOU..


I have run hundreds upon hundred of PUGs. Very rarely is there even an issue, and I laugh at all of you who think that the majority will not be able to sheep, sap, trap, chain, or otherwise use CC to make it through a 5 man.

WOW is not hard, and never will be. Stop acting like it was hard in BC to use CC. Stop acting like it will be hard to use it in Cata.

 

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Nice way to completely ignore my point (let's just cut one part of a sentence out of the whole post so we change its meaning, typical gutter trolling), along with another great "do what I say, not what I do" example, but coming from gutter, I'm not surprised.

In your post, YOU are culprit of exactly what you accuse me of... since YOU don't know me, at all. So you basically critic yourself in that post... since you seem very quick at making broad assumptions about people you never met in game.

But WE, although, know your attitude towards grouping since a long time, since it's yourself who brag about your antisocial behavior in this game regularly here. We don't invent a thing, it's not assumptions, it's you bragging that you behave like an antisocial person in game, and being proud about that behavior. So when you try to lecture people, don't wonder when they don't take you seriously.

But your trolling doesn't impress me, gutter - please keep on displaying your ignorance and your hypocrisy so I can keep laughing

 

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Let's consider the number of people in PuGs who are terrible at this game or don't have a clue about their class, the dungeon strategies, group dynamics, or whatever.

I am not making any judgement about numbers of competent vs. incompetent group players right now but I AM going to make a judgement about peoples' willingness to take instruction/advice/constructive criticism. That willingness is nearly universally ZERO.

I find that the WORSE a player the person is, the more sure they are that everyone ELSE is terrible and they're the only one playing correctly, which of course means that they are that much LESS willing to take any instruction.

The bottom line is that you run into a fair number of people in the PuG world who could benefit from advice, and the vast majority of them are completely unwilling to take that advice, but are completely willing to be carried.

Most competent veteran players who are used to guilds of competent players are just unwilling to sort through the masses for the folks who will be willing to listen to instruction about how to be better. It's just not worth the effort or time for something that's supposed to be fun.

It's fun helping someone out with advice or instruction and watching them "get it" and all of a sudden start playing better and being a real asset (or at least pulling their weight) in a group. It's not fun compensating for people who aren't willing to take instruction or listening to their inanity.

I suspect Cata will be a lot like BC in the 5-man world and I look forward to it. Running heroics in early BC to get keyed for the various raid dungeons was actually challenging in the gear we were doing it in at the time. Most of you around here have little or no idea about that since you didn't start doing those things (if at all) until you had gear well beyond what those dungeons were tuned for.

There will be a learning curve and bads everywhere will whine and I hope that Blizzard sticks to their guns and for at least the first part of Cata, keeps things tuned to actually require thought, strategy, and a reasonable level of competence.

 

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That's so true it's more sad than funny, Cawlin. I'm gonna add that it takes only one of those idiots to ruin the fun of a group. That's why people who have good competent and mature guilds will always prefer guild groups than to risk having their run ruined by some antisocial kiddie, even more in Cata if the dungeons are harder and therefore the runs last longer. I'm sorry, I prefer spending one hour having fun with polite and mature guildies with whom I know I can exchange ideas about what went wrong without them going into an egotistical temper tantrum, than an hour where half of it was spent having 4 out of 5 people trying to explain the last member not to do stupid things, yet the guy refusing to change, screwing up repeatedly and causing wipe after wipe, to finally still kick the idiot and have to wait for replacement.

But I'm afraid Blizzard will quickly give in to the whining and cater to the vast amount of facerolling players who are used to AOE down dungeons with no effort in easily earned epics at the end of WotLK.

 

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Not a bad thread but it could be summarized into:


Learn dungeoning 101 (from EQlive days if not earlier) and have some common sense.


Sadly, most WoW players lack both.


Reading that made me glad that I'll be doing tons of instances with guildies that I've been leading thru raids and heroics all thru WOTLK and most of us are in vent all the time. Our DPSers aren't catching on the whole manage your threat thing despite numerous reminders and some of our hunters seem bound to perpetuate the huntard legend...but it'll be vastly better than pugs where you can do a full clear without one word of chat and rage quits any time anything remotely bad happens. In PUGs (on alts, I never wipe at 80 anymore) seeing a group stay together after a wipe is pretty rare.

 

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Yah, Korrigan..keep on thinking that you are the only person to ever see any dungeon content, participate in a 5 man, and that your way is the only way.

Keep on thinking that WOW is hard, and that you are the only person who can do it.

Keep on thinking that players who don't do exactly what you expect them to do are less of a player than you.

Keep on making yourself look like an arse every time you post with your elitist, holier then thou attitude...and keep hiding inside your precious guild...refusing to expose yourself to outside players...which is more anti-social than I have ever been.

... the rest of us will just keep on laughing at you, and your total lack of comprehension to what really goes on in this game.

 

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That's a lot of assumptions. Incorrect ones at that. But, let's be fair. Point out where he says any of the things you mention.


That's fair, right?

 

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Read the relevant post history..its all there..repeatedly..


What is really going to burn Korrigan up is when pugs are doing just as well as his guild...and this entire thread is a moot point.

 

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