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Cawlin  Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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-MrBean- posted:
Quazimortal posted:
How does him making a comment about accurate observations he made during WotLK have to do with him being unsubscribed right now? That's pretty much how I remember heroics in Wrath and I only ever ran them with friends back then. The problem being that you could have a dps off-tank them and not have any fear of wiping the group.
Sorry quoted the wrong post of his... was thinking more along the lines of this:
Cawlin posted:
Sorry man, if wipes are happening in normal mode dungeons, then I guess gear isn't a big part of the equation. It would seem difficulty notching up along with L2P issues are creating that level of havoc.
The L2P issues is quite condescending considering he has no clue what people truly are bitching about.
There just honesty seems to be random damage coming out in dungeons. Point in fact:
Last night I was healing a Halls of Origination normal dungeon. It was me (Pally Healer), Pally Tank, Mage, Warlock and cat druid. Through the first couple of battles other than the tank I notice I am having to throw more heals at the mage than anyone else. The mage knew what he was doing, hell he started sheeping without us even having to say anything.
So as I healed the group I started to watch him to see where he was getting the aggro from. It was from nowhere. No melee on him, no adds, no ranged or even spell casters. Just random damage being taken by him. It's rather annoying when I don't have a HoT to throw on him other than one that takes up a whole sixth of my mana to heal the entire group.
Don't get your panties all wadded up there Nancy.
For starters, go and look at the mobs in the dungeon you were in and look at their ranged attacks.
http://www.wowhead.com/zone=4945/halls-of-origination#npcs
Understand that mobs with ranged attacks will often use them on their second most hated target even while they're being tanked in melee range, or often will use them on a random ranged target, again, even while they're being tanked in melee range. This mechanic has been in the game since the beginning. There's not likely any "random" damage just happening out of nowhere. In fact you could have checked recount to see what the source of the damage on the mage was if you were curious.
As for your whining over my citing "L2P issues", get the fk over it. Read the hundreds of posts around here from others elaborating all the L2P failures in the dungeons.
Oh and L2P yourself.
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steveC91  Posts: 81
Registered: 2003-3-28 06:34:58
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Date Posted:
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GutterSludge posted:
It's only been a week and a half...
This
Part of me wishes I had more time to play and the other part is glad I don't.
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PlieBrac  Title: Ok, who did this?
Posts: 254
Registered: 2002-10-30 12:50:08
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
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Again, it is an issue with the player base, not Blizzard, but the player base is who we play with and thus the lowest common denominator is what determines the overall success here for everybody.
Perhaps blizzard needs to introduce some other Rating system to factor into the LFG system. I don't know. What I do know is that I am SICK of failed groups.
this..so much... 
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Elkabong08 Posts: 77
Registered: 2010-11-5 12:23:54
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
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Sad players you are. |
Cawlin posted:
Ugh_Lancelot posted:
My group being all melee is a peculiar case to be sure but we never had anywhere near this much trouble even on tougher anti-melee fights in previous expansions. /shrug
And based on what I'm seeing in the occasional PuG, things just aren't as forgiving regardless of people having 5 times the health pools.
Is your melee group's idea of CC "The 3 of us will each just offtank the extra mobs?"
That seemed to be the prevailing strategy for melee players during WOTLK: "Sure I know I charged/DGed/Ambushed/jacked my biggest opening burst attack into this mob well before you could even touch it Tank, but I'll just DPS tank this one myself, besides, it helps my DPS when I can do my rotation and not have everyone else kill the mob before I get through a cycle of abilities!"
Lol, the Rogue mantra  . Fortunately, some of us learned how to maximize our DPS just short of pulling aggro off the tank (early days of Karazhan for me), threat meters ftw.
A lot of us will adjust and go back to the days of "pulling aggro = bad, duh". The issue for me will be whether enough of the player base learns this well enough to ever use LFD again.
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Thodoll Posts: 10
Registered: 2002-11-12 11:44:19
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
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I'm having fun so far. I'm worried about messing up, which is refreshing in a way.
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steveC91 Posts: 81
Registered: 2003-3-28 06:34:58
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
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PlieBrac posted:
Again, it is an issue with the player base, not Blizzard, but the player base is who we play with and thus the lowest common denominator is what determines the overall success here for everybody.
Perhaps blizzard needs to introduce some other Rating system to factor into the LFG system. I don't know. What I do know is that I am SICK of failed groups.
this..so much...
There is another option its called a Guild run ofc it don’t guarantee no wipes but al least you can die and laugh with friends.
Tbh I like pugs even the bad runs can be fun and you sometimes meet players you like.
I dislike the xrealm part of it though.
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Date Posted:
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Sad players you are. |
It's not an issue with the playerbase. They will bear whatever burden Blizzard designs to a point. When that point is reached casual players leave, and they're the overwhelming majority. And since it's already being largely recognized as a burden, it's clearly not fun. And that's what WoW was to most casuals prior to Cataclysm: fun. Now all these new casuals are being directed to basement dwelling nerd sites they never heard of and being asked to study video tutorials when they have real lives and jobs to attend to. It's laughable really.
Blizzard has a model right now that's unsustainable given the way they have essentially trained their playerbase over the past two years. Grueling two hour runs for minimal rewards, if any? If you even finish before the group dissolves? Longer LFD waits to end up in a run-in-progress? With punitive effects for most (large repair bills)? It's not 2004 anymore. This cannot last, and it won't for much longer.
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Unstruck Posts: 260
Registered: 2004-3-24 18:59:13
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
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Blisteringballs posted:
It's not an issue with the playerbase. They will bear whatever burden Blizzard designs to a point. When that point is reached casual players leave, and they're the overwhelming majority. And since it's already being largely recognized as a burden, it's clearly not fun. And that's what WoW was to most casuals prior to Cataclysm: fun. Now all these new casuals are being directed to basement dwelling nerd sites they never heard of and being asked to study video tutorials when they have real lives and jobs to attend to. It's laughable really.
Blizzard has a model right now that's unsustainable given the way they have essentially trained their playerbase over the past two years. Grueling two hour runs for minimal rewards, if any? If you even finish before the group dissolves? Longer LFD waits to end up in a run-in-progress? With punitive effects for most (large repair bills)? It's not 2004 anymore. This cannot last, and it won't for much longer.
Makes you wonder WHY they're doing it, too. They know how well their business model is working, why change it now to drive off more casual gamers? There has to be a monetary reason for it. We'll find out soon enough.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
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Unstruck posted:
Blisteringballs posted:
It's not an issue with the playerbase. They will bear whatever burden Blizzard designs to a point. When that point is reached casual players leave, and they're the overwhelming majority. And since it's already being largely recognized as a burden, it's clearly not fun. And that's what WoW was to most casuals prior to Cataclysm: fun. Now all these new casuals are being directed to basement dwelling nerd sites they never heard of and being asked to study video tutorials when they have real lives and jobs to attend to. It's laughable really.
Blizzard has a model right now that's unsustainable given the way they have essentially trained their playerbase over the past two years. Grueling two hour runs for minimal rewards, if any? If you even finish before the group dissolves? Longer LFD waits to end up in a run-in-progress? With punitive effects for most (large repair bills)? It's not 2004 anymore. This cannot last, and it won't for much longer.
Makes you wonder WHY they're doing it, too. They know how well their business model is working, why change it now to drive off more casual gamers? There has to be a monetary reason for it. We'll find out soon enough.
My guess is management and higher level designers giving too much freedom to idealistic team leaders and the like. People that aren't able to see the forest for the trees.
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jojo263 Posts: 164
Registered: 2003-6-18 14:03:47
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
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Blizzard is going to do whatever it takes to make the ques go as fast as possible. So enjoy the CC or whatever you have been doing since release.
On another note hardcore raiding is done and blizzard should have dumped it a long time ago and put in more work on 5mans and bg's, the next mmo that has a chance at even getting next to WoW will be one that has tons content for people to do in small groups.
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