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Trigeminal posted:
Got the drake but I still want the wolf.
Drake gangs ftw!
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Sprawl-zero1eye- Title: IGN Vault Staff
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Posts: 1,001
Registered: 2002-6-28 03:39:29
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slythetove posted:
Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:
It's easy to say but hard to fix. Do you rollback everyone to address the issue? Can you track who took advantage of the exploit vs. people who merely played TB during the increased honor time? Probably not. And even if you could, could you be assured you wouldn't accidentally punish the innocent?
They've had other similar issues and blanket rolled back. Arena stuff.
It's pretty simple actually: Honor over period of time > X and kills over period < Y? Pretty freaking obvious.
--Sly
That works for the extremes but what about the mild exploiters?
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Shenron_ Posts: 543
Registered: 2002-12-8 21:34:16
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Date Posted:
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a rollback in this situation would be stupid. the "exploit", if it even is one, of being inside the area just while winning is years old. and the retarded decision to add 2k honor wins was a informed choice by blizzard. does not really compare to the arena debacle.
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Date Posted:
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Pulease! We all know they did the 1800 pts crap so the devs can do pvp in easy mode and get geared fast so when they attained their gear they nerfed the pts back.
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Sociop Posts: 264
Registered: 2009-12-8 15:10:16
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:
slythetove posted:
Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:
It's easy to say but hard to fix. Do you rollback everyone to address the issue? Can you track who took advantage of the exploit vs. people who merely played TB during the increased honor time? Probably not. And even if you could, could you be assured you wouldn't accidentally punish the innocent?
They've had other similar issues and blanket rolled back. Arena stuff.
It's pretty simple actually: Honor over period of time > X and kills over period < Y? Pretty freaking obvious.
--Sly
That works for the extremes but what about the mild exploiters?
And what about those that have already gone to the expense of geming and enchanting their new gear?
I would think it would have had to be done the same day or the next at the latest, now is too late.
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slythetove Title: Julie's Pool Boy
Posts: 146
Registered: 2001-11-7 11:12:56
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:
slythetove posted:
Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:
It's easy to say but hard to fix. Do you rollback everyone to address the issue? Can you track who took advantage of the exploit vs. people who merely played TB during the increased honor time? Probably not. And even if you could, could you be assured you wouldn't accidentally punish the innocent?
They've had other similar issues and blanket rolled back. Arena stuff.
It's pretty simple actually: Honor over period of time > X and kills over period < Y? Pretty freaking obvious.
--Sly
That works for the extremes but what about the mild exploiters?
If I ran a software company (which I do), I would find the extreme, bring it in a few notches and target that level and apply the fix. Let the mild exploiters be honestly. They aren't really the problem. If someone got an extra piece of armor ok fine, no biggie.
What is more concerning is those (like some who have admitted in this thread) that got full sets, all BoAs, mounts, etc in 3 days.
Honestly, once they opened Pandora's box they should not have closed it. If it were still possible for others to do this, then I'd just leave it alone. However, since it's not possible now, you need to take action against those who have the unfair advantage.
1. This 1800 should never have been introduced. Any idiot could tell you this was a terrible hideous "idea". Everyone with a brain must have been on vacation at Blizzard.
2. Since it was introduced it should never have been removed.
3. Since it was removed the extreme exploiters need to be addressed.
That's how I see it. YMMV.
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The_Korrigan Title: Scrub Buster
Posts: 955
Registered: 2001-7-17 03:51:32
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Thankfully you don't run a video game then.
This said, the honor for winning is completely insignificant now. Specially since it's almost impossible to win as attacker.
What they should do is to completely reset the place once a day, aka making it neutral (not owned by either side). This way, the attacking side would have a chance to get it back at least once a day.
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Gidgiddoni Title: LGM Wordsmith
Posts: 58
Registered: 2001-10-11 12:09:27
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1/1/00 12:00am
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Yeah. Call me a casual whiner if you want. Let me clue you in on a little of my "casual" experience in WoW.
My first toon started at release was raised on a PvP server, back in the days when there were no fricking battlegrounds, no honor, no honor rewards, not a dang thing. Just going out and having to fight to do every quest you did from about level 20 on. Oh, and he was a dragonscale leatherworker back in the day when most of the dragonscales came off elite dragons you had to fight in contested lands. And there was not a single set piece worth much in any of the patterns.
Later, when the battlegrounds came around, I did manage to get to Rank 10 with the toon I played the most, which was pretty decent, considering the time you had to invest and the politics that went on in getting to higher ranks.
I have played as part of a dedicated Alterac Valley defense force, where we would manage to queue in 20 people as horde to fight off the alliance attacks, and make both the horde and alliance mad at us because they had to "play" through an Alterac Valley that lasted more than 6 or 8 minutes. Our team was probably some of the last folks to summon Lokholar in AV.
I don't expect gear, (weapons, armor, or trinkets) to be handed to me for nothing. I don't have the time to raid and I don't raid. I collect points along the way and get what I can in five-mans.
Blizzard put in the 1800 honor ... NOT ME. But if they put it in, heck yeah, I gathered it up as long as possible. If that insults your elitist mentality, sorry about that. Them are the breaks.
Why don't you get up a petition to Blizzard and ask them to strip away all the honor earned while the patch was in play? For Christ sake ... why don't you ask them to divide the servers into EASY and HARD versions. That way, the people who think their armory profile is the most important thing in life can have servers dedicated to their exploits. It would break my heart to see such people go. Who would my herbalist sell over-priced herb stacks to?
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Gidgiddoni Title: LGM Wordsmith
Posts: 58
Registered: 2001-10-11 12:09:27
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Date Posted:
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Over-entitled casuals like the one I quoted are, bar none, the most obnoxious and damaging population in a mmorpg. They're worse than the kids spamming local with anal jokes. There isn't a single redeeming quality about them, they're a plague of inevitable destruction on anything that is fun. They are jealous of what other people have achieved and cannot stand that they don't have it, so they beat their fists and bang their heels on the ground until they get it like spoiled little children.
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Just for the record. Do you over-generalize at all times or just in this post?
Casual players could say exactly the same thing about many elite players. You know, the players who fill up trade chat with arguments about gear or gear score or DPS.
Not a single redeeming quality in any of the casual players? Seriously? I am sure Blizzard is probably very fond of the casual players. I don't know what percentage of the bajillion people subscribing to WoW are casual, but they probably at least equal the hard core players. In other words, I bet Blizzard likes them, and they help fund this GAME the elite people are so fond of playing. Take all the casual gamers away and you would probably find out really quick what redeeming qualities they have.
I see plenty of people with gear that is great. I see arena players with powerful weapons I don't ever expect to own, and I don't hang around screaming at the heavens hoping the gods will rain buckets of powerful pixels for me to pick up and equip my toon with.
It's a curious thing. The mechanics of the game make it such that even a casual player can often come across very valuable items. One of my toons ran into a rare spawn some weeks back ... never heard of it, but killed it and the item that dropped I instantly recognized as quite valuable. Took it to the AH and sold it for a handy sum, to folks who care more about stats than I do. Since then, I usually park one of my toons on my second account over the spawn point ... and have managed to farm the spawn a number of times.
I like the elite players. They are the only ones who would spend such funds on an item and allow me to use the gold to ... buy pretty pixels for all my toons.
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siujoey Posts: 280
Registered: 2001-12-26 09:10:44
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
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Broken_Kayfabe posted:
Gidgiddoni posted:
I think it was great and couldn't care less about the mighty and powerful and overly skilled individuals who managed to earn their honor the "hard" way a drip at a time. Yeah. Poor you. I managed to get a couple of my 80s in on the windfall of 1800 and would continue to do it. I think it was great and couldn't give a rat's behind about how people managed to get geared out.
Why should it matter?
I work and have a family, and I go on in the evenings and see folks in the guild and elsewhere with tons of PvE and other gear that I don't have and won't ever have because I don't have the fricking time to commit to it.
I agree! I'm a super casual and I pay my $15 a month and that means I deserve everything in the game whether I earned it or not! In fact, why should I even have to do the instances and raids? I should be given justice points just for being subscribed! I'm a busy man, I have a family and 1.6 kids and two dogs a budgie and a kitten, that means I deserve loot MORE than everyone else!
Gimme gimme gimme!
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Over-entitled casuals like the one I quoted are, bar none, the most obnoxious and damaging population in a mmorpg. They're worse than the kids spamming local with anal jokes. There isn't a single redeeming quality about them, they're a plague of inevitable destruction on anything that is fun. They are jealous of what other people have achieved and cannot stand that they don't have it, so they beat their fists and bang their heels on the ground until they get it like spoiled little children.
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I remember back in the early days of WoW when changes were carefully considered and generally treated conservatively to avoid wild balance swings. That dev team would never have considered boosting design elements by 1000% in a panic move over a complete failure of a PvP zone creating yet more failure.
Reading is hard. He never said he wanted or deserved the same gear as anyone else. The ironic part is that you call those casuals spoiled children. Yet, it's the people he is referring to that act like spoiled children. "I had to work for mine, now they are giving away free gear, whaaaaaa!" "I had to do it the hard way, boohoo!" "I am so much better at WoW than everyone else but no one can see how superior I am any more by simply inspecting my gear!!!!11"
Moral of the story: this game is a lot more fun when you worry about yourself and not what everyone else is geared in. The "most obnoxious and damaging population in any mmorpg" is the population that it is making it profitable for Blizzard and therefore is the population that makes it possible for you to play the game. You want to know why everyone complains about the WoW community? It's not the ultra casuals, it is the ultra hardcore elitists that are so wrapped up in how much better their gear is than everyone else that they can't stand it when other people get the same rewards without exactly the same commitment.
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