It doesn't happen often, but I agree with broken here.

 

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I'd have believed that if he hadn't posted the very quote you quoted above. To be blunt you simply don't post that unless you're already reeking of jealousy, whether or not it is explicit or even backtracked. Bringing it up in the first place insinuates that those who DO have the gear therefore do NOT have family and work and other real life time constraints.

IOW if you don't want to be called a pig, don't roll around in poop.

tl,dr: it is okay to say you are happy to get things you didn't have time to get beforehand, when you plead the fact you have family and work requirements as the reason you couldn't you move into a completely different vibe.

 

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Right, so you were putting words in his mouth. I don't know what he was implying, I just know what he said. And I know that my opinion is similar- "it happened, it was dumb, who cares?" To put this in perspective, I have never done a single TB yet. Other people got geared up, oh noes!!!!11 What the hell do I care? I'll say it again: knowledge and experience >>>> gear.

This points out an interesting difference though. WoW has a lot of players that need some sort of "achievement" for fun. They need to feel that they have "accomplished" more than most other players and need something that they can show other people that "proves" they are better. Maybe it's different for me because I already know I won't have that top tier gear until it is not the top tier any more. Believe it or not, it is actually a lot of time and effort to gear up as well as I am without being able to raid. I get my upgrades where I can and when I see things like the TB change, I would urge everyone to take advantage. They made it possible, go get some! Let's all gear up together and be one happy family. /sings kum bay ya

 

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I'm not sure if this is directed at me, but if so you're firing at the wrong target. Way off base. I couldn't give a crap about armory profiles or what other gear players have in PvE. I'm not elitist, nor do I care if other people get gear. I want gear for everyone even more easily. I think gear as a status symbol is laughable. "Earning epics" and all the phrases like that are stupid.

The issue is that in PvP I now have to fight against you and you have a massive advantage because you took advantage of an exploit. Either everyone should have the gear or they should take it from the exploiters. I'd honestly prefer everyone personally. I'd rather just PvP and not have gear be the decider.

I think the current honor gains are stupid and way too slow.

I would love to have honor much much faster just like you. My problem is that only people who exploited for a few days got this. Once they put in the 1800 they should never have taken it out. That's the issue. Since they took it out they've now created a huge advantage for the exploiters while the rest of us still have to go the slow boat to China.

So, either leave the 1800 and the bridge bug in or remove the gear from the exploiters. Even better, increase honor gain from BGs by a factor of at least 5, so people can get their gear in a reasonable amount of time and enjoy PvP.

It's insane to have to spend 10+ hours for one piece of this crap.

--Sly

 

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I'm saying they should either leave it in so everyone has a level chance at it, or they need to "punish" (to use your words) those that obtained the honor by exploiting a bug.

The bridge bug clearly was not "something they allowed" it was a bug, and being exploited. It's not really up for debate - it's obviously not intended for people to receive full honor for not participating in the battle as long as they know how to be in a certain spot on a bridge.

You will find I come down on that side every time when talking about exploits. People can jump the gate in BGs and unfairly advantage themselves, and yes I think they should be punished. Just because it's possible to do doesn't mean it's "allowed".

--Sly

 

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Newp, he said it.

 

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I feel like I have made a hundred posts on this board like this. I've said some of the same things more abrasively, some less abrasively than you have BK.

I'm in your camp on this matter as I have always been since the beginning of the game on matters like this.

I am amused at all the rationalizations and justifications for it as well as the moral relativism exhibited by so many people.

Yeah I know it's a game and acting in a morally relativistic way in a game doesn't mean you are that way outside the game, but in the end, it does speak to a person's character, like it or not, it does.

I will also QFT Slythetove's remark with a small edit:

Just because it's possible to do, doesn't mean it should be done.


Yes, that is me imposing my own sense of what is "right" on, and judging others by that standard. Deal with it.

 

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It's winnable if the numbers on each side are small. I get to see this in action as an Australian player on a non-Oceanic server: late evening my time is the pre-dawn hours server time. I've been involved in winning TB attacks last night and the night before, both times there were I think 20 or less players on each side.

With such small numbers, the attackers "close to the node" respawning outweighs the defenders ability to rapidly switch to another node when they respawn. The zerg simply isn't big enough to make the rotating zerg defence succeed.

I suspect some high-pop servers never see such small participation, though, even at 4:00am.

 

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Aye, on my server TB changes hands mostly during the night too.

 

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It's not even 9am and I have already seen the funniest response I will see all day? Kind of anti-climactic, Cawlin. Try to spread these little self absorbed, arrogant gems out over the course of the day in the future, if you don't mind.

 

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