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Shenron_  3 stars
Posts: 543
Registered: 2002-12-8 21:34:16
i am glad they fixed it. was wondering why last evening the match was taking so long. as an alliance we still won it tho and i got my more appropriate reward. the amount it is now is better - enough for incentive to win, not enough incentive to lose on purpose. frankly the dynamics of the "battleground" are horrible. a king of the hill with such large yet even numbers is not a fun idea.


as for the pvp season being spoiled, i agree. honor points have no value for many people until next season. its a shame. it might be even worse than if it had never been fixed, since now the people who missed out on that small window will be sour about it. i took advantage of it tho and got a full set of pvp gear on my main and literally every single heirloom (2 of some) from the wg vendor, even tho i will never use most of them.


as for people claiming too busy in rl to play the game but they want free gear: big deal. if u are so busy in rl why do you even care about having the loot in the first place. the point of the game is to get gear from doing stuff, not to get gear for not doing stuff. so if u are busy and can't play much, u will just get less gear...so what its not like you have time to log on and use the gear anyways (for getting more gear - what else is there?)
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Posts: 34
Registered: 2005-1-23 00:34:55
did they fix the bridge too?

 

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Broken_Kayfabe  1 star
Posts: 248
Registered: 2002-2-16 01:05:01
Gidgiddoni posted:

I think it was great and couldn't care less about the mighty and powerful and overly skilled individuals who managed to earn their honor the "hard" way a drip at a time. Yeah. Poor you. I managed to get a couple of my 80s in on the windfall of 1800 and would continue to do it. I think it was great and couldn't give a rat's behind about how people managed to get geared out.

Why should it matter?

I work and have a family, and I go on in the evenings and see folks in the guild and elsewhere with tons of PvE and other gear that I don't have and won't ever have because I don't have the fricking time to commit to it.



I agree! I'm a super casual and I pay my $15 a month and that means I deserve everything in the game whether I earned it or not! In fact, why should I even have to do the instances and raids? I should be given justice points just for being subscribed! I'm a busy man, I have a family and 1.6 kids and two dogs a budgie and a kitten, that means I deserve loot MORE than everyone else!

Gimme gimme gimme!

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Over-entitled casuals like the one I quoted are, bar none, the most obnoxious and damaging population in a mmorpg. They're worse than the kids spamming local with anal jokes. There isn't a single redeeming quality about them, they're a plague of inevitable destruction on anything that is fun. They are jealous of what other people have achieved and cannot stand that they don't have it, so they beat their fists and bang their heels on the ground until they get it like spoiled little children.

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I remember back in the early days of WoW when changes were carefully considered and generally treated conservatively to avoid wild balance swings. That dev team would never have considered boosting design elements by 1000% in a panic move over a complete failure of a PvP zone creating yet more failure.

 

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Sprawl-zero1eye-  4 stars
Title: IGN Vault Staff
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Posts: 1,001
Registered: 2002-6-28 03:39:29
slythetove posted:

Exploit early, exploit often seems to be the rule in effect yet again.

Blizzard makes what is arguably about the stupidest hotpatch ever made and introduces 1800 honor per win on attack. Everyone knows this is stupid. How it ever went live will forever be a mystery.

Fine. I'll play. Except I can't get in. Ever. Well that sucks. Oh by the way, thousands of players are exploiting a bug where they get full honor even if they aren't in the battle. Fantastic.

So now, those of us who did not cheat have to spend weeks to get the gear that cheaters got in a day.

Exploit early, exploit often.

--Sly


It's easy to say but hard to fix. Do you rollback everyone to address the issue? Can you track who took advantage of the exploit vs. people who merely played TB during the increased honor time? Probably not. And even if you could, could you be assured you wouldn't accidentally punish the innocent?

 

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NukeMage  2 stars
Posts: 346
Registered: 2002-4-7 16:58:45
Broken_Kayfabe posted:

Gidgiddoni posted:

I think it was great and couldn't care less about the mighty and powerful and overly skilled individuals who managed to earn their honor the "hard" way a drip at a time. Yeah. Poor you. I managed to get a couple of my 80s in on the windfall of 1800 and would continue to do it. I think it was great and couldn't give a rat's behind about how people managed to get geared out.


Why should it matter?


I work and have a family, and I go on in the evenings and see folks in the guild and elsewhere with tons of PvE and other gear that I don't have and won't ever have because I don't have the fricking time to commit to it.



I agree! I'm a super casual and I pay my $15 a month and that means I deserve everything in the game whether I earned it or not! In fact, why should I even have to do the instances and raids? I should be given justice points just for being subscribed! I'm a busy man, I have a family and 1.6 kids and two dogs a budgie and a kitten, that means I deserve loot MORE than everyone else!


Gimme gimme gimme!


...


Over-entitled casuals like the one I quoted are, bar none, the most obnoxious and damaging population in a mmorpg. They're worse than the kids spamming local with anal jokes. There isn't a single redeeming quality about them, they're a plague of inevitable destruction on anything that is fun. They are jealous of what other people have achieved and cannot stand that they don't have it, so they beat their fists and bang their heels on the ground until they get it like spoiled little children.


...


I remember back in the early days of WoW when changes were carefully considered and generally treated conservatively to avoid wild balance swings. That dev team would never have considered boosting design elements by 1000% in a panic move over a complete failure of a PvP zone creating yet more failure.



Agreed, and these are also the types of people who usually support the gold spammers which negatively affect the in game economy.

 

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Trigeminal  2 stars
Title: Drill, Fill, Bill
Posts: 365
Registered: 2002-3-17 20:10:56
Full pvp set (even bought an assortment of trinkets depending on my mood) and most of the mounts. The tol barad bridge exploit bothered me mostly because I had several late nights to get my gear while the PvE crowd got it in a couple TBs. Tant pis...


Now I never need to do TB again. I'm only in that zone for dailies now. Got the drake but I still want the wolf.

 

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slythetove  1 star
Title: Julie's Pool Boy
Posts: 146
Registered: 2001-11-7 11:12:56
Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:

slythetove posted:

Exploit early, exploit often seems to be the rule in effect yet again.

Blizzard makes what is arguably about the stupidest hotpatch ever made and introduces 1800 honor per win on attack. Everyone knows this is stupid. How it ever went live will forever be a mystery.

Fine. I'll play. Except I can't get in. Ever. Well that sucks. Oh by the way, thousands of players are exploiting a bug where they get full honor even if they aren't in the battle. Fantastic.

So now, those of us who did not cheat have to spend weeks to get the gear that cheaters got in a day.

Exploit early, exploit often.

--Sly


It's easy to say but hard to fix. Do you rollback everyone to address the issue? Can you track who took advantage of the exploit vs. people who merely played TB during the increased honor time? Probably not. And even if you could, could you be assured you wouldn't accidentally punish the innocent?



They've had other similar issues and blanket rolled back. Arena stuff.

It's pretty simple actually: Honor over period of time > X and kills over period < Y? Pretty freaking obvious.

--Sly

 

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_Warlucky_  1 star
Posts: 183
Registered: 2008-7-20 04:40:07
Sprawl-zero1eye- posted:

slythetove posted:

Exploit early, exploit often seems to be the rule in effect yet again.

Blizzard makes what is arguably about the stupidest hotpatch ever made and introduces 1800 honor per win on attack. Everyone knows this is stupid. How it ever went live will forever be a mystery.

Fine. I'll play. Except I can't get in. Ever. Well that sucks. Oh by the way, thousands of players are exploiting a bug where they get full honor even if they aren't in the battle. Fantastic.

So now, those of us who did not cheat have to spend weeks to get the gear that cheaters got in a day.

Exploit early, exploit often.

--Sly


It's easy to say but hard to fix. Do you rollback everyone to address the issue? Can you track who took advantage of the exploit vs. people who merely played TB during the increased honor time? Probably not. And even if you could, could you be assured you wouldn't accidentally punish the innocent?



Screw the innocent this is PvP we are talking about, collateral damage doesn't matter.
Jyiiga  2 stars
Title: The MMO Snob
Posts: 374
Registered: 2001-3-15 22:36:09
slythetove posted:

Exploit early, exploit often.

--Sly



Pft.... I learned that rule in 1999 on Asheron's Call.

 

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Ardenwolfe  2 stars
Title: All Knowing Grammar Police
Posts: 499
Registered: 2002-12-11 14:47:24
Pretty much what Sly said.

 

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