Or maybe they aren't that tough, but just require a bit more attention span than a dead monkey pressing his (damage and/or healing) button? Do you pretend casuals are incapable of that? Then I don't agree with you. Don't confuse casual players, and bad players.



That's already happening. Raids have started, people are getting geared beyond heroics. When I tank, we barely use any CC anyone, maybe one or twice when there's two healer mobs in a pack.
Problem, if problem there is, lies more in the fact that those well geared people are kinda sick of the bad players I mention above, those who have the attention span of a two year old and are unable to do simple tasks like "don't stand in the fire", and they mostly run guild groups where people, casual or not, know how to play and not be stupid.

The game is an ONLINE game. Fill your friend list. Find a good tank and a good healer if you aren't one of those. Show them that you are a good player too, and that you don't "stand in fire". Make your daily heroic with those people and two other randoms. You'll see that it's not that hard when you have 3/5 people who aren't scrubs. Hell, you may even find it enjoyable that it's not a simple faceroll but that there's some challenge involved.

 

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We can always expect a well thought out and balanced view from Korrigan

 

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And you can always expect a one liner without any argumentation from the usual scrubs, and their usual kindergarten courtyard hero club friend to pat them on the back.

 

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St0rmie, have you read GC's post that this refers to? I'm guessing you haven't.

 

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And the last time crowd control was used outside of a raid was 2007.





Where did anyone claim that the attention span of casual players was a problem? If you are going to go to the trouble to quote me at least use an argument I raised or maybe even something I might have implied. I don't think that was in reference to anything I wrote.





No, random players that significantly outgear the heroic encounters are not often seen in RDF groups. You said it yourself, they are in guild groups, where is your argument? Most of us casuals realize that raid geared players don't want to run heroics with us and it will be a while before others with our casual playstyle have the level of gear of the current crop of raiders and we start popping up in pugs.





No kidding? I've been playing MMO games since 1998, I don't really need your advice. You can be happy with the game and playstyle you are paying for, I don't neccessarily have to be and I'm not. Many other casual players are unhappy also. You can continue with your elitist thought processes while us casauls vote with our wallets, we will see who wins out.

well said. I zoned into a normal instance (no clue which) with my 4 level 85 mages, and pretty much got throttled first pull. /shrug... I cancelled my 4 accounts.


I have much better things to do with my life than listen to some know-it-all barking orders in pugs. I deal with that crap ever day from the governement, and I sure as $%#! am not dealing with it in a video game~


If Blizzard wants to make a game about hopping on one foot, I can do that without logging on.


simon says... ALT-F4!!

 

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I play MMOs since UO beta, so I come from there too. Since UO, it was always true that one does better in those games when he's in a guild, part of a group he regularly plays with.
And also stop insulting casuals. Many casuals aren't slackers, but good players who don't cry about heroics, but beat them. What you describe is the lone wolf who doesn't want to associate with anyone but wants to reap all the rewards without effort. That's a slacker, not a casual. That's the kind of people with crap gear, doing crap damage but expecting to get the best and having the rest of their group carry them through the instance. And if some of those quit the game, to be honest, and yes this is elitist... good riddance, it can only make the community as a whole better. Self entitled supposed "casuals" are the worse part of MMO population, responsible of dumbing them down until there's absolutely no challenge left.

 

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The only people responsible for dumbing down the game are the people at Blizzard (or whoever controls them if they aren't actually in control anymore). They invited the masses to play their game - you can't be surprised when the masses play a different way and at a different level then the people who played these games when you had to walk everywhere, meditate between fights, and put up with all sorts of annoyances/time-sinks that would send the masses headed for the door in two seconds. Blizzard asked for this population of players.


And that strawman about "What you describe is the lone wolf who doesn't want to associate with anyone but wants to reap all the rewards without effort." holds no water today and never has. That's not what most of these people are like or what they ask for yet you prop it up to knock down as if it were. Asking for something to be less isn't automatically asking for it to be nothing. Toning something down doesn't make it trivial unless the devs are incable doing anything but extreme changes.

 

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I have to agree with this statement, even though I am labeled as casual partly because I refuse to belong to a guild, and partly because I refuse to play by a set schedule that raiding would require.

And, since we are throwing it out there, I have played online multiplayer games since they were text based on BBS's, which is WHY I refuse to belong to a guild. Where groups of people are involved, there is drama, and I simply have no time for drama, even if it would mean faster progression, ease of heroics, and not dealing with the RDF.

To me, Cata is fine, but I am not the typical "casual" player.

All of this will be forgotten anyway when new tiers of armor become available to purchase with JP's..

 

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