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Author Topic: RE: Ghostcrawler's Dungeons Are Hard [Locked]
--Syrus--  3 stars
Posts: 536
Registered: 2003-12-2 15:51:47
"Don't like it stop playing." Is a dumb response.

Now I have already unsubbed, only because I found I wasn't logging in any more, not because of any one design flaw, I was just doing other things instead. There are a few other games I am playing and what not.

However, if I were still playing and I had a problem with one part of a very large and complex game. I'm not going to quit playing because of it. When I did play I found enjoyment in many aspects of the game, just one going wrong wouldn't be enough to get me to stop playing altogether. That doesn't mean I can't ask for improvement in that one area.

Second if you think Blizzard is going to notice the drop in subs from a few rage quitters that quit over the heroic content alone in a pool of 12 million, you grossly over estimate your importance.

So the "Don't like it, quit." Response, is not only unhelpful because it doesn't offer a solution to the problem, it is punishing the user more then the developer assuming said user likes other aspects of the game.

I encourage players to keep playing and offering their feed back, as long as they are still enjoying the game. As you can see from the response, Blizzard does listen to the whiners, not the quitters.

 

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steveC91  1 star
Posts: 81
Registered: 2003-3-28 06:34:58
They will notice the drop in subs and when you quit they ask for reasons
By all means visit the forums while your account is still active and have your say.

 

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The_Korrigan  3 stars
Title: Scrub Buster
Posts: 955
Registered: 2001-7-17 03:51:32
Zero_Washu posted:

LOL, your are so completely wrong it is not funny. There are some classes with no effective CC, guess we can leave them at the door eh?

Use your imagination. Priest can MC a mob at the start and let it die - that's one less mob. Warlock pets can tank one mob. Of course, hunter pets can too, but those have traps. Have one of the DPS switch to tank spec and offtank one of the annoying mobs away from the grp - yes, they can do that even without tank gear now, since tank specs give you crit immunity. He can even "peel" the mobs one by one off the main tank, and still do good damage in the process. Etc...

You even can do any of the heroics without any CC.
You just need to gear up more before attempting it, of course. It's a trade off.

I have not a single time been stopped from completing an heroic because of the lack of CC. Even less now, of course, but even back then when our gear was crap quest blues.

 

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The_Korrigan  3 stars
Title: Scrub Buster
Posts: 955
Registered: 2001-7-17 03:51:32
nemesis1 posted:

One thing people seem to forget: Players whined & complained about how easy the game was, how they hardly used any of their class abilities & facerolled content, and how they wanted more challenging 5 man content.
Blizzard listened.

<insert current QQ>

So true - a specific type of MMO player is never happy anyway. The best for the developer is to simply ignore those.

 

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Voqar  1 star
Posts: 169
Registered: 2001-3-12 10:39:10
Blisteringballs posted:

Yea it's more challenging and stuff, forget the fact that the experience is boring and tedious.


Lord in Heaven GC is the worst developer possible to be in charge of WoW. It's like he wants his company to lose customers, and has zero memory. He will be fired, and I can't wait.



GC has been having his way for a while - not sure why people are suddenly now finally seeing it as a problem.


The dungeons are challenging - and that I think is awesome. It is unfortunate that WoW has catered to and rewarded players who suck for doing nothing for so long, and now those players suck at MMO basics and can't get thru moderately challenging content.


While I love a challenge, I don't really want to spend 3-4 hours doing a 5-man (which was how it was in the beginning, now that the content is learned and gear has been obtained even the worst of them only take 1-1.5). Most pugs are going to last an eternity unless you get super lucky.


What IS dumb, IMO, is reversal. Bliz made Northrend totally faceroll ez-mode. Bliz made raiding accessible to all in Northrend. Now content is anything but faceroll (some still do it or try and it's ugly). Now raids are anything but casual-accessible and only hardcores will get bosses down.


My biggest beef with cata is too little content. Every toon you level does the exact same quests/rep/everything paths. It's ungodly boring. By the end of northrend we had a large variety of dungeons from easy to marginally challenging (icc 5-mans). There is no variety in cata - it's all on the tougher side (if you're a moron, but most wow players are morons). There are no entry level raids in cata - everything is beefy. What is called the "naxx of cata" surely is not, there's no such thing.


Point is, when it came to cata, they knew what worked and what kind of spread they needed to cater to everyone, from patching it in to WOTLK. There's no reason why they couldn't have released cata with a similar spread. The rate that bliz adds content over time is horribly slow. I would not be surprised if they lose players to boredom (the more hardcore getting stuff done and developing alts is ungodgly repetitive and boring) or frustration (80% of wow players are too stupid to play anything but coloring book mode).

 

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-Myk-  2 stars
Title: Not a War Criminal
Posts: 373
Registered: 2004-11-15 19:27:42
GC is a douchebag

 

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Zero_Washu  2 stars
Posts: 290
Registered: 2001-9-28 05:17:03
I am all for raiding to be hard and heroic level raids to be silly hard.

However what I am not up for is nerfing a class type so hard that so many of those players just up and quit. We hit a new low the other night at prime time, 19. From a guild that used to see 40+ we never have seen as low as 19 at prime time. I am just waiting my sub to run out, RIFT hopefully will be a sufficient diversion.

I hope they enjoy their new Arena season, they are paying a high price to support an aspect of the game so few play.

 

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