People would still bot it so now you would be even MORE angry at botters.





Yeah, the bot situation is horrible. It is unacceptable. I remember when Wow was first out and people on these boards were all bitter about AC bots... which was legal. I think it was Korrigan (sp) who said something to the effect of, "Blizzard bans people first and asks questions later. They would never permit that to happen to their game." And it was true! Blizzard was a banning machine (general speed hacks) and we loved it! Unfortunately they stopped with the mass bannings and now they are in a terrible place. Losing subs because of Cata would be a bad time to start banning. And it might be too late to save their rep. I mean it's been 3 years (?) since they did the mass bannings.





There are no 'servers' or battlegroups anymore. We all play together, I played my alliance all weekend with a friend and was at about a 90% win ratio.

 

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Well, not really. When PvP first started in WoW, nobody got rewards, neither winners nor losers.

Then we got the original honour system, where to get a worthwhile reward, you not only had to win, but keep on winning for many, many hours every week (and never take a week off or else you'd go sliding back down).

It has only been since TBC that the system has been anything like its current form.

 

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Good point.

But if we are to dig up old school times, let us not forget about all the tons of things you could do during the wait. Yes, the wait was pretty long but there were items to fight for. Losing, afaik at that time, was not rewarded with welfare honor (or was it? I'm getting rusty with my memory ).

The motivational thing back then was getting AV faction rep for phat items, which also involved chopping the other player to pieces. Getting specific items was a motive for me too, duh hehe, but the greater one was pvp'ing and as I said before, the warcraft 3 effect of AV.

A bit of a redundant comment, but the game was simply different back then. Same for the mindset.


The game did not have the zone-wise pvp certain Daoc-peeps always wanted but there was a moderate level of realm pride for a while. Imo, it is somewhat gone (and yet again, ymmv).

Off Topic about AV;
I just remembered... that Horde NPC reinforcement zerg you could get with mines and captured loot - they had 2h, while the Ally ones had sword and board. The ally version somehow always sucked ^^

 

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You're right! If only there was another set of PvP activities where winning would mean something! You know, give you a "rating" of some sort. Then, that rating could go up or down depending on your performance. It would be even cooler if you had to have a certain rating before you could use the highest level PvP gear! Also- I believe you should be able to earn more points with a higher rating than those with a lower rating can.

Ah, but these are all pipe dreams......

 

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Is 50-75 honor for a loss; when items cost 1200+, really a big deal?

I hate afkers/botters/mouthbreathers in BG's just as much as the next guy. But even I, who loves PvP, would not do them if there was nothing to gain when my team fails. Or when the other team brings a group of five from the same server and dominates a bunch of puggers.

If you want competition where nobody gains anything for a loss, do what Ayadread said (lolrhyme):
Queue up for Arena or Rated BG's. They come with the best rewards and the harshest loss penalties.

 

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hmmm, I remember rewards for PvP ladders really soon after they opened the BGs, but I really wasn't talking about the Honor system and niether is the OP.


The OP was whining (QQing to use the boards venacular) about how lame his faction is at PvP. I was talking about PvPers have been bitching about the incompitence of their faction's fellow PvPers since the first BG openned. And nothing laid out on this thread has not bee suggested thousands of times on this board alone.


Finally the greatest myth that "hardcore" PvPers like to espouse is that they want to compete against other hardcore PvPers. It is a complete LIE! PvPers want to fight those that are not as good as they are. It is an easy win. PvP is all about being opportunistic and gaining advantage.

I think the problem here is the difference between challenge and tedious.

You may be right, but the difference there is HUGELY subjective and no two people will have the same definitions of those terms.

Example: It used to be very entertaining for me to research the math and mechanics behind function in a game. I really loved picking all the details apart and optimizing them and attempting to optimize my characters. To me, that was the challenge. To others, that is unbearable tedium.

 

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As long as you are not guaranteed to be in a relatively fair match-up, then there has to be a reward just for "sticking it out."

And I've been pvping since vanilla, and my biggest, most consistent complaint is the lack of relatively fair match-ups.

 

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If it is giving incentive to come in and afk or bot the game, then yes it is.

With all servers linked queue time is a non-issue too.

 

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