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I wish BGs gave NO rewards/honor/etc if you lose. [Locked] |
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1/1/00 12:01am
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I wish BGs gave NO rewards/honor/etc if you lose. |
siujoey posted:
You're right! If only there was another set of PvP activities where winning would mean something! You know, give you a "rating" of some sort. Then, that rating could go up or down depending on your performance. It would be even cooler if you had to have a certain rating before you could use the highest level PvP gear! Also- I believe you should be able to earn more points with a higher rating than those with a lower rating can.
Ah, but these are all pipe dreams......
So if you want BG PvP in WoW without afkers and botters you need to always have nine or fourteen friends willing to queue with you.
Brilliant solution!
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Zero_Washu  Posts: 290
Registered: 2001-9-28 05:17:03
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Broken_Kayfabe posted:
siujoey posted:
You're right! If only there was another set of PvP activities where winning would mean something! You know, give you a "rating" of some sort. Then, that rating could go up or down depending on your performance. It would be even cooler if you had to have a certain rating before you could use the highest level PvP gear! Also- I believe you should be able to earn more points with a higher rating than those with a lower rating can.
Ah, but these are all pipe dreams......
So if you want BG PvP in WoW without afkers and botters you need to always have nine or fourteen friends willing to queue with you.
Brilliant solution!
Well back in BC days it was very common to see people trying to assemble premades to queue with. That is one thing I haven't seen spam for at all since Cata dropped.
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Ugh_Lancelot  Title: Ooo...bouncy!
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Registered: 2002-6-17 14:37:05
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I wish BGs gave NO rewards/honor/etc if you lose. |
Malachi256 posted:
As long as you are not guaranteed to be in a relatively fair match-up, then there has to be a reward just for "sticking it out."
And I've been pvping since vanilla, and my biggest, most consistent complaint is the lack of relatively fair match-ups.
Very true. In an unbalanced game, there always has to be fodder for the "pros" to fill out the queues. Hmm...didn't I read somewhere that PVP queues were longer than ever in this expansion, in spite of greater-than-ever aggregation of the PVP playerbase?
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MikeyJCL Posts: 2
Registered: 2010-6-8 07:43:44
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I wish BGs gave NO rewards/honor/etc if you lose. |
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Why? So the gear disparity can increase and the lowbies get brutalized time and again by your EPIC SKILLZ?? Or was that epic gear, I forget? Go arena without any gear and see where it gets you. Actually I'll save you the trouble of finding out the "hardcore" way. You will lose...over and over and over until you smash your head against the monitor and die of an acute cranial hemorrhage. Let the poor schmucks get their welfare blues and have a chance in rated BG's/Arenas but lose the it's always my teams fault attitude.
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siujoey Posts: 280
Registered: 2001-12-26 09:10:44
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I wish BGs gave NO rewards/honor/etc if you lose. |
Broken_Kayfabe posted:
siujoey posted:
You're right! If only there was another set of PvP activities where winning would mean something! You know, give you a "rating" of some sort. Then, that rating could go up or down depending on your performance. It would be even cooler if you had to have a certain rating before you could use the highest level PvP gear! Also- I believe you should be able to earn more points with a higher rating than those with a lower rating can.
Ah, but these are all pipe dreams......
So if you want BG PvP in WoW without afkers and botters you need to always have nine or fourteen friends willing to queue with you.
Brilliant solution!
Why not? Apparently you need to have nine or fourteen friends to raid with.....
Hence the reason for the boards overflowing with pug horror stories. This just in: pugs are not always made up of the most serious players. Either A) Make your own team, or B) Don't bitch about the players randomly selected for you because you could/would not make your own.
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Ferrydust Title: Iron Chef Jennifer
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Registered: 2002-9-4 20:32:54
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I wish BGs gave NO rewards/honor/etc if you lose. |
Ugh_Lancelot posted:
Malachi256 posted:
As long as you are not guaranteed to be in a relatively fair match-up, then there has to be a reward just for "sticking it out."
And I've been pvping since vanilla, and my biggest, most consistent complaint is the lack of relatively fair match-ups.
Very true. In an unbalanced game, there always has to be fodder for the "pros" to fill out the queues. Hmm...didn't I read somewhere that PVP queues were longer than ever in this expansion, in spite of greater-than-ever aggregation of the PVP playerbase?
Yes, horde BG queue's average around 20 minutes. Sometimes it's much longer. It always has the 'average wait time' listed as 7 minutes or so though... which is almost always a lie.
Alliance queue times are still almost instant.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
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I wish BGs gave NO rewards/honor/etc if you lose. |
siujoey posted:
Broken_Kayfabe posted:
siujoey posted:
You're right! If only there was another set of PvP activities where winning would mean something! You know, give you a "rating" of some sort. Then, that rating could go up or down depending on your performance. It would be even cooler if you had to have a certain rating before you could use the highest level PvP gear! Also- I believe you should be able to earn more points with a higher rating than those with a lower rating can.
Ah, but these are all pipe dreams......
So if you want BG PvP in WoW without afkers and botters you need to always have nine or fourteen friends willing to queue with you.
Brilliant solution!
Why not? Apparently you need to have nine or fourteen friends to raid with.....
And if they afk or go on autofollow you wipe and don't get the rewards.
In fact, as I recall before most the people quit the bg system in disgust, there were actually premades made to lose as fast as possible.
One should not have to always have nine or fourteen people on call just to be allowed to pvp without cheaters. BGs compare far better with random dungeon groups where it was trivial to get rid of griefers and they generally got no rewards whatsoever for showing up. Not so for BGs.
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st0rmie  Posts: 108
Registered: 2005-4-20 00:33:25
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I wish BGs gave NO rewards/honor/etc if you lose. |
Diskent posted:
hmmm, I remember rewards for PvP ladders really soon after they opened the BGs, but I really wasn't talking about the Honor system and niether is the OP.
The OP was whining (QQing to use the boards venacular) about how lame his faction is at PvP. I was talking about PvPers have been bitching about the incompitence of their faction's fellow PvPers since the first BG openned. And nothing laid out on this thread has not bee suggested thousands of times on this board alone.
Ah, OK, well that is certainly true, I've heard that whine forever.
Certainly deranged, too. I know for a fact that there are days when my faction simply cannot win a BG, not if I play all day. And then there are other days when we win everything so easily I wonder what's happening.
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The remarkable thing is how successfully Blizzard have monetized it with paid faction changes.
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Bowdi Posts: 17
Registered: 2003-7-23 08:36:08
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dont we all pay the same 14.99 or whatever???
Still think the ladder system that DAoC had was the best for pvp. you buy stuff with the points you get from killing people.
Also the free form BG's DAoC had was a zillion times better then all the bg's we have in WoW. Why....why cant we have both, is it that hard to have a center fort/keep to fight over??? without timers, without goals. Just something to focus on as you roam around looking for fights.
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Date Posted:
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I wish BGs gave NO rewards/honor/etc if you lose. |
Bowdi posted:
Also the free form BG's DAoC had was a zillion times better then all the bg's we have in WoW. Why....why cant we have both, is it that hard to have a center fort/keep to fight over??? without timers, without goals. Just something to focus on as you roam around looking for fights.
That is probably the largest mystery in mmo history.
The first step Blizz could do is temporarily remove that stupid farm-timer from Tol Barad. TB is a long wait for some action that only lasts a few minutes - since the zerg nations will only come out of the hole once it is time. That`t pretty much the same like waiting for an old school BG (dramatized).
Although I recall BC's Halaa (Nagrand) and Classic's Tower-capturing in Eastern Plaguelands being "UBERAWESOME OPEN PVP GO!" - which turned out to be utter crap, at least on the two servers I played on.
In that case, an instanced (queue'able) and portable zone would be better. Only that it has no timer and you just join to JOIN THE FREAKIN INSTANT FRAY  . Just a center keep, craploads of stuff to farm etc.
But then again, Daoc had style. Waiting for the Gothis (Mid), all the class galore and the vanilla pvp that was not just some faceroll ability spamming was the best.
But back to BG.
There are a lot of clones or games that mimic pvp gameply but they just can't seem to get that piece of epicness done - unless there is some uber copyright tagged to it.
Yet that doesn`t explain how come we see Rift cloning the many known subjects from WoW, Warhammer Online and other games (and ironically doing it somewhat right and for the greater good °_°). Rift won't kill wow, but at least they are taking what is there and do something with it ._.
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