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I wish BGs gave NO rewards/honor/etc if you lose. [Locked] |
-Myk-  Title: Not a War Criminal
Posts: 373
Registered: 2004-11-15 19:27:42
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1/1/00 12:00am
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I wish BGs gave NO rewards/honor/etc if you lose. |
Broken_Kayfabe posted:
Wrong on both counts, you special little snowflake you!
"Games shouldn't take effort" people like Myk are responsible for every bit of dumbing down of every form of entertainment in the entire world. As I've said before, the absolute worst plague of self centered cancers on the mmorpg scene are the over-entitled casuals. They are the worst thing to ever happen to fun games.
You sure are full of yourself. People like you who think tedious equals fun and difficult have no idea what fun really is. All you really want is to say you have a pixel someone else doesn't because you "worked" for it. One day when you grow up and know when real work and life are about then just maybe you will see are wrong you are. Playing a game is about having fun and relaxing, not turning into the rat-race that is real life. You get that fun from the play of the game not the shiny pixels.
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Quazimortal  Title: The One and Only
Posts: 1,557
Registered: 2004-9-18 21:52:58
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-Myk- posted:
Playing a game is about having fun and relaxing, not turning into the rat-race that is real life. You get that fun from the play of the game not the shiny pixels.
What the hell, are you stupid or trolling? A game is about whatever the hell the individual playing it wants to make out of it.
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Diskent  Posts: 69
Registered: 2009-11-4 09:57:01
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Whats amazing about this thread is that it is the same thread that has been written about PvP in WoW since PvP started in WoW.
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Diskent Posts: 69
Registered: 2009-11-4 09:57:01
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1/1/00 12:00am
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I wish BGs gave NO rewards/honor/etc if you lose. |
Dums posted:
Old school AV was the most fun I've ever had in pvp since daoc. They ruined it.
As for the guy who blabla's about work and being casual or whatever, well, clearly the only mmo you'll ever succeed in is wow or some mirror image of it. If you took that attitude to any of the older mmo's you'd be that rr2 I would kill inside of a stun. You'd eventually get tired of dying so much because you only had like 30 seconds a day to advance your toon and quit, making the community way better for the rest of us who feel like effort should equal reward, and no effort should equal no reward.
That would be those MMOs that you are playing now?
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The_Korrigan  Title: Scrub Buster
Posts: 955
Registered: 2001-7-17 03:51:32
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1/1/00 12:00am
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Dums posted:
As for the guy who blabla's about work and being casual or whatever, well, clearly the only mmo you'll ever succeed in is wow or some mirror image of it.
I'm gonna forget I played UO and AC1 then...
Dums posted:
If you took that attitude to any of the older mmo's you'd be that rr2 I would kill inside of a stun. You'd eventually get tired of dying so much because you only had like 30 seconds a day to advance your toon and quit, making the community way better for the rest of us who feel like effort should equal reward, and no effort should equal no reward.
Hehe that's the "strong guy" attitude of ex DAoC players... they kill undergeared lower realm rank players in a stun spamfest. Man, can I have your autograph? I suppose that "making the community better" also contributed to kill that game when all rr2 people you "stun farmed" without them having a chance to fight back had quit, making the game a ghost town. Congratulations!
Question... do you imply that a guy in a BG, on the losing side, but who fought like a madman till the end, doing his best both for him and for the team, did made no effort? If yes, then I invite you to visit "dictionary.com" and lookup for the real definition of the word "effort". "Effort" doesn't always equal winning. But "trying hard" always involves effort, though, even when you lose.
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Arcilite_I Title: VN's Most Wanted
Posts: 1,260
Registered: 2002-1-27 08:46:24
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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I wish BGs gave NO rewards/honor/etc if you lose. |
The_Korrigan posted:
Dums posted:
As for the guy who blabla's about work and being casual or whatever, well, clearly the only mmo you'll ever succeed in is wow or some mirror image of it.
I'm gonna forget I played UO and AC1 then...
Dums posted:
If you took that attitude to any of the older mmo's you'd be that rr2 I would kill inside of a stun. You'd eventually get tired of dying so much because you only had like 30 seconds a day to advance your toon and quit, making the community way better for the rest of us who feel like effort should equal reward, and no effort should equal no reward.
Hehe that's the "strong guy" attitude of ex DAoC players... they kill undergeared lower realm rank players in a stun spamfest. Man, can I have your autograph? I suppose that "making the community better" also contributed to kill that game when all rr2 people you "stun farmed" without them having a chance to fight back had quit, making the game a ghost town. Congratulations!
Question... do you imply that a guy in a BG, on the losing side, but who fought like a madman till the end, doing his best both for him and for the team, did made no effort? If yes, then I invite you to visit "dictionary.com" and lookup for the real definition of the word "effort". "Effort" doesn't always equal winning. But "trying hard" always involves effort, though, even when you lose.
The only difference between you and Dums is he goes to enemy territory to slaughter noobs and make them quit, you stand in your safe PvE protected major city being condescending and making people quit. At least he's honest about who he is.
To get back on topic, I agree losing in PvP should give no rewards. Players don't get loot if a boss doesn't die, players shouldn't get anything if they don't win a PvP match/fight.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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I wish BGs gave NO rewards/honor/etc if you lose. |
Look, the unique snowflake is still talking.
-Myk- posted:
You sure are full of yourself. People like you who think tedious equals fun and difficult have no idea what fun really is.
Congratulations, that is the dumbest thing ever said on VNBoards. Maybe you ARE special!
Fun is 100% subjective. I can tell you I do not find tedious fun, but I do find being rewarded for overcoming obstacles that are actually obstacles fun.
You find everything being handed to you on a silver platter fun. You probably play games in god mode whenever you can. Because that is "relaxing!" Well guess what, mmorpgs don't have god modes. In fact, no multiplayer game has god modes. There's a reason for that, you proto-simian mongoloid.
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Thanks, but it's been fun
Five more minutes then I'm done!
I've been saying that to myself since
...yesterday.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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I wish BGs gave NO rewards/honor/etc if you lose. |
Sociop posted:
That would take care of the AFKers, but server like mine where Ali is out numbered and lose 8 out of 10 we would never get geared as we would constantly be facing a superior geared opponents, we would just end up losing more and more.
Nice theory but it has never worked that way in practice, when the BG system actually worked and didn't start games horribly unbalanced.
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Thanks, but it's been fun
Five more minutes then I'm done!
I've been saying that to myself since
...yesterday.
- from "Has anybody seen my corpse". Man Everquest rocked back in the day...
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Ayadread Posts: 66
Registered: 2006-3-15 11:24:05
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1/1/00 12:00am
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I wish BGs gave NO rewards/honor/etc if you lose. |
Arcilite_I posted:
To get back on topic, I agree losing in PvP should give no rewards. Players don't get loot if a boss doesn't die, players shouldn't get anything if they don't win a PvP match/fight.
I'm not going to get into a long, drawn out debate arguing. However, comparing pve encounters to pvp is just down right dumb. One is a scripted encounter which is the same each and every time you do it. The other is based entirely on chance and continuously changes.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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I wish BGs gave NO rewards/honor/etc if you lose. |
The_Korrigan posted:
The real question is: would they indeed try harder - or would they simply just not play BGs at all, therefore increasing your own queue time to astronomical numbers?
With all servers linked there will always be more than the criticial mass needed to keep BGs going, especially if they were IMPROVED by removing the afk leeches and bots by reducing their ability to get rewarded because their team always LOSES. Might actually be MORE people in the random BGs.
But no. Blizzard is too stupid to figure out how to fix things without upsetting their special snowflake overentitled casuals who are used to being rewarded for participation, not for success, much like kindergarteners (and Myk).
I find your opposition amusing, considering if Blizzard gave away raid loot for simply attempting a boss, not for killing it, you've be having conniptions.
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Thanks, but it's been fun
Five more minutes then I'm done!
I've been saying that to myself since
...yesterday.
- from "Has anybody seen my corpse". Man Everquest rocked back in the day...
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