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Arcilite_I  Title: VN's Most Wanted
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Registered: 2002-1-27 08:46:24
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In your mind, what was the one overall change that you hated in WoW? |
GutterSludge posted:
Voila.
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The_Korrigan  Title: Scrub Buster
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Registered: 2001-7-17 03:51:32
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GutterSludge posted:
Korrigan, you have a choice...
you are playing/have played EQ...
choices EQ2..or WOW...
EQ 2 is the "norm"...WOW is "different"...
Walah.
That would make sense if WoW wasn't based on the EQ model. Sadly, it is totally based on EQ's class/level/endgame/dungeon/raid model. Actually, EQ2 and WoW are based on exactly the same model... yet the noob still bests the veteran, and not only just a little bit.
Now answer to Boone's question:
The_Korrigan posted:
3 games in 1999 when EQ and AC1 were released after UO. Dozens and dozens of games today. Yet WoW still literally crushes them all. How comes?
The number of potential player augmented according to you. The number of games too, though. Yet WoW still wins.
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Date Posted:
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In your mind, what was the one overall change that you hated in WoW? |
The_Korrigan posted:
Please answer to Boone's question about competition. 3 games in 1999 when EQ and AC1 were released after UO. Dozens and dozens of games today. Yet WoW still literally crushes them all. How comes?
1999- 248 million internet users worldwide.(few games)
2010- 2 billion users worldwide. (more games)
Simple.
Why is Blizz on top?
Advertising? (this is huge..no other MMO does this) Playability on the simplest machines of today?
Great marketing....does not mean best product ever.
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Boone-Eldar  Title: Infallible
Posts: 273
Registered: 2001-12-28 16:31:37
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In your mind, what was the one overall change that you hated in WoW? |
GutterSludge posted:
Ok Boone,
If there weren't more MMO players now than then, 12 million subs for ONE MMO would be literally impossible.
Growth in number of users directly correlates with growth in MMO players, period.
You can keep denying this, but your denial will not change the fact.
lol I am not denying it at all. I am saying that the "percentages" that I fail to understand are no where close to what you are claiming them to be. There is not 1000x or 700x more subscribers to pull from now than there were when MMOs first hit the market. There is also a lot more competition than there was when MMOs first hit the market.
All of this is in response to this post in case you have lost your train of thought.
GutterSludge posted:
I disagree.
If there are 1,000,000 fish in the ocean, and I catch 100,000...(like # of computer users 10-15 years ago, and AC's sub numbers, or UO's, or pick an MMO)
Or there are a billion fish in the ocean, and you catch 12 million....(like # of computer users today)
Who is the better fisherman?
Don't let that 12 million number cause you to forget how to calculate a simple percentage. (If you ever knew)
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The_Korrigan Title: Scrub Buster
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Registered: 2001-7-17 03:51:32
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In your mind, what was the one overall change that you hated in WoW? |
GutterSludge posted:
The_Korrigan posted:
Please answer to Boone's question about competition. 3 games in 1999 when EQ and AC1 were released after UO. Dozens and dozens of games today. Yet WoW still literally crushes them all. How comes?
1999- 248 million internet users worldwide.(few games)
2010- 2 billion users worldwide. (more games)
Simple.
And WoW still reaps most of that increased player based, despite the tremendous competition, and keeps on doing it. Even back in 2004 when WoW was released, you had dozens of MMORPGs on the market, and most were EQ based class/level/endgame games.
It's simple, as you said. All what others did, WoW simply did it better. That's why people go there instead of going to EQ2 or any other similar competitor.
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Date Posted:
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In your mind, what was the one overall change that you hated in WoW? |
Boone..
How many more are there, then?
Seriously..you actually believe what you are posting..?
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Boone-Eldar Title: Infallible
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In your mind, what was the one overall change that you hated in WoW? |
GutterSludge posted:
The_Korrigan posted:
Please answer to Boone's question about competition. 3 games in 1999 when EQ and AC1 were released after UO. Dozens and dozens of games today. Yet WoW still literally crushes them all. How comes?
1999- 248 million internet users worldwide.(few games)
2010- 2 billion users worldwide. (more games)
Simple.
Why is Blizz on top?
Advertising? (this is huge..no other MMO does this) Playability on the simplest machines of today?
Great marketing....does not mean best product ever.
Weird I do not recall Blizzard's marketing being any different than any other MMO for the first 3 or so years. I was not until they pulled in millions and millions of subscribers that you started seeing Mr T ads.
Selective memory on your part? I think so.
Next straw?
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siujoey Posts: 280
Registered: 2001-12-26 09:10:44
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In your mind, what was the one overall change that you hated in WoW? |
The_Korrigan posted:
How does this explain that a veteran of the industry, who made EQ1 and had a lot of experience, a valuable and well known franchise, a lot of money and marketing backup, got beaten by total noobs in the MMORPG category then, when the two games were released the same month in November 2004?
1) SoE fanboys would have already been split. The (somewhat) successful SWG was just released in June 2003! They had a 500k EQ1 base to work off of. Blizzard on the other hand had NO competing MMO in it's own stable, but plenty of Warcraft players to sell to. This was a major reason (I think) that it introduced so many new players to the MMO genre.
2) Having the money to market a product and actually spending that money on marketing are 2 different things. Doing so wisely and effectively is still another separate consideration. Blizzard is king here. Hell, they even got a 30 minute commercial for WoW from South Park. EQ2's marketing spend was never even in the same neighborhood as WoW's.
3) Your "total noobs" comment implies that Blizz was some new game developer. Not so. New to the MMO genre sure- but that may have aided in it's success. People were looking for something new even then. All of a sudden, you see this new game from an established, legitimate company with new cartoon-ish graphics and big hype.
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Date Posted:
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In your mind, what was the one overall change that you hated in WoW? |
For the first few years they were the "parachute pants" of the genre. A fad, so to speak. Which one of you two came to WOW because "It was the best MMO of all time"???
Korrigan, we all know you feel that title goes to UO...why are you arguing different now?
Korrigan, Boone...
I know both of you have played other MMO's...stop for a second and think about making a list of the "best" games in specific areas.
Combat system...
Loot system...
Crafting...
etc etc...
You both know damn well that WOW will be #1 in very few of these categories....
Take off the fanboy hat and think for just a second..
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Boone-Eldar Title: Infallible
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Registered: 2001-12-28 16:31:37
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In your mind, what was the one overall change that you hated in WoW? |
GutterSludge posted:
Boone..
How many more are there, then?
Seriously..you actually believe what you are posting..?
I have no idea how many there are and really it does not matter. The amount of people that want to play a MMO has grown over the years. I am not disputing this and it is common sense. Let me lay this out simply:
1. The total amount of people playing MMOs is the market.
2. The percentage of people playing whatever MMO is the respective MMO's marketshare.
3. The MMO with the highest marketshare is the most successful MMO.
4. World of Warcraft currently holds a vast majority of the current marketshare and has done so for over 6 years.
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