Sure, eventually. I have in the past. I just came back about a month before Cata. In a few months i will get bored again and wander off. Probably about the time Dragon Age 2 arrives.....

 

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You obviously forgot how WoW's dungeons were at release then. They were as hard if not harder than the Cataclysm ones. Do you think you could faceroll scholomance or stratholme without crowd control? Then you have long term memory problems.

But the more I read, the more I'm comforted in what was my first opinion. Some people don't like challenges. They want to aoe mobs that drop epics like no tomorrow, and will whine like mules when there's actually an effort involved again.

If anything, Blizzard's mistake is not Cataclysm. It was WotLK then. Because they gave some people the bad habit of being able to farm purple loot without any kind of effort or skill involved.

What's even more funny is that many of those complaining here today were, not so long ago, asking for raid quality boss fights in 5 man dungeons. Now they got them... and it's too hard! How ironic...

 

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WoW probably will hold my attention till end of my current month, then I will take another long break. I've actually been subscribed for 3 months in a row, which is record for me since EQ1 was released. I might play the first month of DCUO, then go back to single player games for a bit.

Ultimately, it's just a game, and too many people act like it's a break up when contemplating canceling their subscription. Just quit if you are not having fun, you can always play again later if you choose to.

 

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With WotLK, I could run regulars, then Heroics with the DF or with friends and let it fill in the rest. In the regulars, the loot was garbage, but it at least allowed me to get some points for some of the Tier 10. I was also able to wear the tabards and fill in with vendor stuff. During some heroics, mainly the LK ones, I was able to fill in gear with some drops. After running both I was able to buy pieces and get a decent gear score, enough to run ICC Raids with my guild.

Some groups were bad, but many were actually really great. I got lot of achievements, not just the "dungeon complete" ones, but some of the side bosses and little events that happen. I enjoyed this dynamic when it was introduced.

I geared up several characters, got several flying mounts and in between did dailies at the Argent Tournament. BTW, the Argent Tournament stuff kept me busy at 80 longer than Cataclysm did! Cataclysm was over in a week and I do the SW dailies and a few others now. Yawn.

Anyway, now, we have new dungeons and the wait times are unreal. 45 mins for Heroics. I try to do with some guildies, but I really need to gear up.

The dynamic is different than WotLK. I can't just run my 5 mans and gear up on my own.

This expansion literally just feels like a content patch. I realize 1-60 was done over, but I'm not starting over. I have 1 85, 3 80's and a few 70's.

There's just not enough stuff for players that were at the end game of WotLK to last the next 2 years. I just can't sit in the dungeon finder for 45 mins a pop only to have the group bail after the first wipe because everything is jacked hard.

IMHO, this game is kinda ruined and over for me now.

 

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LOL yeah it was one of the worst parts of EQ2. Instead of "112311241123" or some similar type of rotation you get from a WoW or whatever, EQ2 was "1234567890!@#$%^&*(", none of which you individually gave a rat's arse about. Very little strategy to the action (some classes were better than others for this), you just used every single ability and then by the end some had come off cooldown and you started it again (though outside of raids few things would live very long through the second pass).

 

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'Mistake', no. Blizzard made the conscious decision to cater to those people, the ultra-casuals, giving them everything they wanted for minimal risk and effort. Those people liked it that way.

Now, they've gone back, at least somewhat (remember the dungeons have already been nerfed at least once), to trying to cater to the much smaller challenge-oriented group. But that group was already disgruntled with WoW anyways and probably didn't return in numbers large enough to justify looking to them as your target. Blizzard apparently believed by delivering such an easy expansion as WotLK they could turn those ultra-casuals into the second group (and therefore raiders). Just an offshoot of their "we want everyone to be raiding eventually" mindset. It hasn't worked. It probably won't work and they'll either nerf the instances or make sure the gear scales so dramatically that the instances become super easy even without a nerf (starting to lean towards this as a preferred way out of their mistake for Blizzard now).





Could you give an example of a poster who was asking for a raid quality boss fight in a five man and is now complaining about having them?

 

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Exactly. Quoted for truth.

 

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That is one of the best descriptions I have seen of EQ2's failings, that's exactly what turned me off the game too.

 

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Its just a game. If you dont like it then you quit, but you dont go around whining about how bad the game is when it really isnt. There are more people playing WoW right now than a few months ago. I rest my case.

 

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More people playing because of the holidays and because of new content don't let all the people in the major city fool you those aren't new players they just moved from Dal back to the major city. That was blizzards idea to make new players not feel so alone....

 

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