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Spookysheep  Title: Lieker of Cheese
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Exodus_The_Mage posted:
I wonder if we are all playing the same game.
I have 3 tank classes (Pally, Druid, DK). I usually do at least 2 random heroics (RH) per day, mostly as tank, but I do queue as healer for my pally/druid some days.
Over the last 4 months, I must have done over 150 RHs or more with total random strangers -- players with ungemmed, unchanted gear -- DPS doing less than 6K DPS, healers with 70k mana that OOM even on regular trash pull, and tank with 120K HP.
At Cata launch, the only 3 instances that I will even called them hard are Stonecore and Grim Batol(due to the very unforgiving mechanism), and ShadowFang Keep (people just can't interupts).
During first month cata, it's quite often that I have to sit through 15-20 players in these instances, and yet still unable to complete the place after 3-4 hours.
Four months down the road, with the nerf bat across the board, only Stonecore and Grim Batol can even be considered hard.
As a healer, the only fight that I OOM is Lost City last boss -- when you get players doing 6K DPS or less each.
Fortunately, there isn't really many new players in your RH player pools. Most of the time you met someone's alt who have done the instance and have some experience with the fight. Even my recent encounter with the 120K HP tank, he knew how to use his survival cooldown so that I (the healer) can keep him up.
I can only conclude that either you guys are extremely unlucky, or are just exaggerating much.
This vnboard forum seems to have transformed to a place for people who have lost interest with the game, or have quitted the game to hang out to bash whatever Blizzard is doing.
It's really that hard to move on to a new MMO or a new game genre eh?
Since,the posts here annoy you, is it it really that hard to move to a new forum eh?
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Dums  Title: Moderator
The mystery flavor
Posts: 248
Registered: 2002-10-29 08:17:13
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Sociop posted:
Exodus_The_Mage posted:
Are people seriously so forgetful?
WOTLK heroics used to be as long when people were wearing green and ilvl187 blue at the start.
It just got to 10-15 mins at later part of the expansion when people outgear it with much better gear.
With a large portion of players in their ivl346 or higher gear, most Cata heroics take less than 30 mins to complete. With 4.1 patch, most people will be at 353 or higher, and will easily cut down the instance time by another 5 mins or more.
Even at this point, most heroic instances are cleared in exactly the WOTLK manner now, i.e AOE fest.
Hardly, the last two I attempted the groups could not even get past the first mob's and disbanded!
Cata heorics are like more like the last two ICC 5-mans only harder and to the day Cata was released the player base was still struggling with completing those particularly the last one. Or have you forgotten how many times you got that last one doing random and watched people leave as fast as the were porting in because the knew it was a fail waiting to happen?
Cata Heroics are flat out too difficult for the random pug player base in WoW to complete, it is as simple as that.
They're really not. We're only in the first tier.
When we're 3-4 tiers into Cataclysm, come back here and tell me that Halls of Origination or something is 'flat out too difficult'. You won't be able to.
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Sociop  Posts: 264
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Dums posted:
Sociop posted:
Exodus_The_Mage posted:
Are people seriously so forgetful?
WOTLK heroics used to be as long when people were wearing green and ilvl187 blue at the start.
It just got to 10-15 mins at later part of the expansion when people outgear it with much better gear.
With a large portion of players in their ivl346 or higher gear, most Cata heroics take less than 30 mins to complete. With 4.1 patch, most people will be at 353 or higher, and will easily cut down the instance time by another 5 mins or more.
Even at this point, most heroic instances are cleared in exactly the WOTLK manner now, i.e AOE fest.
Hardly, the last two I attempted the groups could not even get past the first mob's and disbanded!
Cata heorics are like more like the last two ICC 5-mans only harder and to the day Cata was released the player base was still struggling with completing those particularly the last one. Or have you forgotten how many times you got that last one doing random and watched people leave as fast as the were porting in because the knew it was a fail waiting to happen?
Cata Heroics are flat out too difficult for the random pug player base in WoW to complete, it is as simple as that.
They're really not. We're only in the first tier.
When we're 3-4 tiers into Cataclysm, come back here and tell me that Halls of Origination or something is 'flat out too difficult'. You won't be able to.
Just like Wrath 5-man with Triumph and Frost gear we are in the first two tiers of Cata gear Justice and Valor. There is no difference, the last two ICC 5-man Heroics never got much easier and neither will Cata's.
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Date Posted:
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They are addressing the symptoms, not curing the problem.
Rather than bribe people to play a broken game, why not fix it?
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Dums Title: Moderator
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Sociop posted:
Just like Wrath 5-man with Triumph and Frost gear we are in the first two tiers of Cata gear Justice and Valor. There is no difference, the last two ICC 5-man Heroics never got much easier and neither will Cata's.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Are you comparing triumph and frost emblems to Justice/Valor points? Because that's wrong. Now, if you compared Justice/Valor points to Emblems of Heroism/Valor (i.e. Heroism = 10 man Naxx/EoE/OS and Heroics, Valor = 25 man raids + daily quest), then you would be correct.
With Valor gear, early wotlk 5 mans become pretty easy, but still had tiny bit of challenge to them. With the coming of Emblems of Conquest (Ulduar) and the change from Heroism to Valor, they become much easier, because you had moved up a tier and people were getting 'welfare' epics and all that jazz.
The last heroics that were put in with ICC were tuned for people at Emblem of Triumph level (ToC). That's why they never become obsolete, though for me and people that I ran with, they were, because we were all decked out in ICC25 Heroic gear after a while.
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Date Posted:
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And what percentage of the population would you guess were "decked out in ICC 25 Heoric" gear at the end of Wrath?
5% ? Maybe?
Not knocking you, or your buddies..but what you are describing is not representative of the majority of the player-base...not by a long shot.
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Spookysheep posted:
Since,the posts here annoy you, is it it really that hard to move to a new forum eh?
Nah, you guys doing a great job here whining and bashing whatever Blizzard is doing.
It's great community service to help people quit WoW and get their life back.
Keep up the good work!
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Ugh_Lancelot  Title: Ooo...bouncy!
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Exodus_The_Mage posted:
I can only conclude that either you guys are extremely unlucky, or are just exaggerating much.
This vnboard forum seems to have transformed to a place for people who have lost interest with the game, or have quitted the game to hang out to bash whatever Blizzard is doing.
It's really that hard to move on to a new MMO or a new game genre eh?
Spookysheep posted:
Since,the posts here annoy you, is it it really that hard to move to a new forum eh?
Nah, you guys doing a great job here whining and bashing whatever Blizzard is doing.
It's great community service to help people quit WoW and get their life back.
Keep up the good work!
So you're a WoW-hating masochist?
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Dums Title: Moderator
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GutterSludge posted:
And what percentage of the population would you guess were "decked out in ICC 25 Heoric" gear at the end of Wrath?
5% ? Maybe?
Not knocking you, or your buddies..but what you are describing is not representative of the majority of the player-base...not by a long shot.
I would hazard a guess that it was more than that, but I didn't mean it how it came across. I just meant by the time that 4.0 came out, the ICC heroics were trivial for.. some people.
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Date Posted:
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I agree with the some people statement.
I had zero problems tanking, healing, or DPSing any of those...
I, however, do not consider myself to be a "normal, average" player, even though the entirety of my dungeon running was through the RDF.
The problem is the "normal, average" players outnumber every other group by far..and even though they might have had trouble in HOR at the end of Wrath, they were generally happy with short queue times, and lots of dungeon runs.
With Cata, WOW has become a colossal waste of time compared to Wrath...and people don't like it.
edit: If queues were instant, people wouldn't care about harder, longer dungeons.
Waiting 45 min to an hour, just to wipe for an hour is a terrible mix, and has failure written all over it. It's more of a time issue than difficulty....and the end result is a disgruntled "normal, average" playerbase.
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