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paulg_68  4 stars
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theredkay1 posted:

But now that the principled vote might have consequences for the first time in his career....Ron Paul hides.


What consequences are those? If Ron Paul had voted no, what would have changed?

 

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Altra_Shadowstalker  4 stars
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The vote count for one.

 

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paulg_68  4 stars
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So what?

 

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SoBaKi  2 stars
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paulg_68 posted:

theredkay1 posted:

But now that the principled vote might have consequences for the first time in his career....Ron Paul hides.



What consequences are those? If Ron Paul had voted no, what would have changed?






The fact that the answer is already known is meaningless. Quit being so goddamn obtuse.

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Why bother to ever vote no on something that is going to pass? Is that really the argument you're making Paul?


We elect him to do a job. That job includes voting. Not voting on important legislation "because no one else does it and it wouldn't matter anyhow" is not a good reason coming from a guy who says doing the right thing is important even if you no one agrees with you.
ZigmundZag  4 stars
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It's not just "because it doesn't matter". I know most of you are capable of handling a logic statement containing multiple conditions, or at least you sure pretend to be when it suits you. It's pretty simple. If you're campaigning and the vote isn't close, why stop campaigning in order to to throw a symbolic vote at the bill? If you're not campaigning and it's not close, you're supposed to be in DC anyhow so you should probably vote. If you're campaigning and the vote is close, you should probably go back and put your vote in.
Personally I would liked to have seen Ron Paul make a bigger issue out of this. As it is he's just kind of vaguely acknowledging that it's bad and continuing the same formula for his campaign that hasn't worked in 8 years.

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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ZigmundZag posted:

If you're campaigning and the vote isn't close, why stop campaigning in order to to throw a symbolic vote at the bill?



Because that would be the right thing to do if you really care about civil liberties?


If your point is that Ron Paul is like any other politician and in this case he choose to try to advance his own career over doing his current job, I agree. But I don't think his supporters will.
Desnoxvu  2 stars
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAWYRa8d2Eo

 

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paulg_68  4 stars
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Yukishiro1 posted:

Why bother to ever vote no on something that is going to pass? Is that really the argument you're making Paul?


No. I argued that his time was better spent campaigning in Iowa.

Now that I've answered your question, you answer mine. What are the negative consequences of Ron Paul not voting on this bill?

 

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Tych2  4 stars
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It looks bad to some people that they want voting for him?

 

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