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Groucho48  Posts: 821
Registered: 2003-10-22 03:00:14
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Sounds like no one need ever to vote on any but the closest issues. After all, their vote doesn't count.
His job is to craft and vote for bills he is in favor of and to try to modify and to vote against bills he is opposed to.
Two of the big issues his supporters claim should make him attractive to liberals are his opposition to military intervention and his devotion to civil liberties. This bill was about both and he didn't bother to show up and do his job. And, his vote might have made a difference. If the % of the House vote went below the 2/3rds need to override a veto, it would have been tougher for Obama to say he wasn't going to veto it. If Paul could have persuaded just a couple of his colleagues to vote Nay, along with himself, it would have been more ammunition to use against Obama and against any of the other Republican candidates Paul is running against.
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Groucho48 posted:
Sounds like no one need ever to vote on any but the closest issues. After all, their vote doesn't count.
His job is to craft and vote for bills he is in favor of and to try to modify and to vote against bills he is opposed to.
Two of the big issues his supporters claim should make him attractive to liberals are his opposition to military intervention and his devotion to civil liberties. This bill was about both and he didn't bother to show up and do his job. And, his vote might have made a difference. If the % of the House vote went below the 2/3rds need to override a veto, it would have been tougher for Obama to say he wasn't going to veto it. If Paul could have persuaded just a couple of his colleagues to vote Nay, along with himself, it would have been more ammunition to use against Obama and against any of the other Republican candidates Paul is running against.
That's a good point. We should totally let Obama off the hook for signing this because his veto would have been a futile effort knowing congress had the votes to override it.
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God I love politics.
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SoBaKi  Posts: 487
Registered: 2002-2-26 09:31:13
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paulg_68 posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
Ron Paul's whole career had been built on making futile gestures. That he didn't do it here says something.
Seeing imaloon excuse someone from casting a vote on a hugely important piece of legislation from a libertarian perpsective "because he was campaigning" shows you how deluded Ron Paul zombies are. There is no way they would excuse something like that from anyone but their idol.
Did it pass by 1?
If not, then his vote would have merely been a futile gesture.
Wow, talk about missing the point. Then again, it is you that missed it so par for the course.
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Huges07.1 Posts: 438
Registered: 2006-10-29 18:49:28
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My goodness, Yuki is /melting all over the place over this Ron Paul thing.
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ZigmundZag  Title: Grammar Nazi
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Registered: 2002-3-25 23:03:00
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Groucho48 posted:
Sounds like no one need ever to vote on any but the closest issues. After all, their vote doesn't count.
That's a fairly ridiculous bit of hyperbole, don't you think? Nobody is claiming that Congress should quit their day jobs (well, at least not in this particular context). It's been the norm for members of Congress to miss votes while on the campaign trail for years now. Holding Paul - and only Paul - up to this standard because of some perceived notion that his principals require more of him than they do of other politicians is silly and petty. It certainly wasn't the same chorus complaining when Obama and Kucinich were missing most of their votes in 2008.
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SoBaKi Posts: 487
Registered: 2002-2-26 09:31:13
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Huges07.1 posted:
My goodness, Yuki is /melting all over the place over this Ron Paul thing.
Being the trailer park savant you are, I am not surprised you don't understand the point either.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Look at what you just typed. Holding Paul to a different standard than other politicians is stupid and petty? Isn't his whole campaign schpeil that he is not like other politicians and he does what's right no matter the consequences?
If Paul supporters admit their guy is just like any other politician things like this wouldn't have legs. But they don't. That's the whole point.
You can't claim to be cut from different cloth and then justify not doing your job by saying no one else does it too.
Like I said, it's not a huge deal. It's another thing like the newsletters that reflects poorly on Paul but is hardly a deal breaker.
But what I find fascinating is we can't find a single ron paul supporter here that is willing to admit things like that. Every little thing is rabidly defended even when it's not defensible based on Ron Paul's own articulation of what kind of guy he is.
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Ron Paul fanbois posted:
He's a different kind of politician!
Ron Paul fanbois posted:
Hey, don't treat him different than the other politicians! Its just business as usual!
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ZigmundZag Title: Grammar Nazi
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Registered: 2002-3-25 23:03:00
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Well, yes, Paul supporters are a special sort of zealot, even among politicos. I don't really find it to be all that fascinating, though. We've been seeing it here for several years. Now that his campaign is actually picking up some steam and coming under scrutiny (possibly for the first time ever), we're just seeing more of it is all.
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