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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Allstarslacker posted:

Leviticus explicitly forbids homosexual relations.



No. At best it explicitly forbids homosexual anal sex. You may call that a distinction without a difference but it isn't at all. The old testament never says God doesn't like gay people.


It is just a rule about conduct. The same way you're not supposed to have sex with a menstruating woman or whatever.
Allstarslacker  3 stars
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Registered: 2006-5-23 20:09:28
That's what I was talking about...

If you never put it in anything, or never have anything put in you, I think that makes you asexual. I think sexuality requires sex, right?
Yukishiro1  4 stars
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The old testament doesn't prohibit male oral sex or any other form of male on male sexual contact and it certainly never talks about sexual identity.


It is a pretty important distinction in the way the mitzvot work. It is just a conduct rule like any other, and conduct rules are traditionally left up to the individual parties to regulate. There's a famous rabbinical statement about no one ever knowing if you have sex with your wife on her period so it doesn't make sense to try to enforce it. The leviticus prohibition is the same sort of thing.


People who point to it to justify anti-gay bigotry are morons who can't even ead their own holy book right.
Allstarslacker  3 stars
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"'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20:13

I agree that it is a conduct issue for Jews, but it doesn't specify anal sex. I think it covers sexual gratification in general.

Sodomy is forbidden in general even with members of the opposite sex.
IMHO  4 stars
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Allstarslacker posted:

"'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20:13

I agree that it is a conduct issue for Jews, but it doesn't specify anal sex. I think it covers sexual gratification in general.

Sodomy is forbidden in general even with members of the opposite sex.



The new testament supersedes the old testament.

 

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Modeeb  4 stars
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10% of the population is gay. In general, this means one in ten posters here are gay.

 

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Altra_Shadowstalker  4 stars
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How do you lay with a man like you would lay with a woman if sodomy is forbidden anyway? Men don't have vaginas.

 

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

How do you lay with a man like you would lay with a woman if sodomy is forbidden anyway? Men don't have vaginas.



God is a progressive, The new testament supersedes the old testament.

 

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Sea_of_inK  2 stars
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Allstarslacker posted:

"'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Leviticus 20:13



"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him."
Leviticus 20:19

Just 3 verses away and just a crazy.

The bible is a funny book. Leviticus is especially crazy. That's where you're warned against crew cuts and the abominable shellfish.

 

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Altra_Shadowstalker  4 stars
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Wait, so sodomy is back on the table?



Its a DATE tonight!

 

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