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Grymlo  2 stars
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Registered: 2002-4-30 05:51:06
sweeny_comodore posted:

Situations like this are exactly why police have an arsenal of nonlethal weapons.
That kid could have been wielding a slice of pizza. There were no lives in immediate danger. They weren't being shot at. He didn't have hostages.
There was no reason to shoot the kid 3 times.



Had he been holding anything other than a gun then your statement would work. You have a gun in your hands and refuse to comply then you are wrong.

 

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Onslaught.  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-2-13 13:46:37
Orwyn_Blackheart posted:

looks almost real, kid was dumb



Well.. he was a 15 year old in 8th grade.

 

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eodoll  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-2-14 12:35:42
DO we know how long the police waited before shooting?
Did they make sure the boy understood?
Did the boy put others in danger?

My first thought is these cops need to be punished. They rarely need to kill anyone.

Edit: you cant trust witnesses completely btw, most dont remember the events correctly and time slows down. They may have heard '"argle bargle' bamm bamm" and refer to that as something more.
Abaddon_Ambrosius  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-12-21 09:51:39
Parents really shouldn't let their kids have toy guns that don't have things like the bright yellow ring around the muzzle, plastic colors on part of it so it is obviously a toy, etc.

My son is 4 and he still doesn't own a toy gun. Hasn't asked for one yet, either. Probably will wait til he asks, and even then he'll have to be at least 7 or 8 so I can show him a couple scare movies, talk gun safety, and explain why people are gonna be wary of him with it if he misuses it.

Gun safety... it's a good idea whether or not the kids have a real gun. Or even a toy gun.

 

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Z-Elder  3 stars
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Registered: 2002-3-15 13:58:39
Texas? Brown people should know not to give them an excuse by now.

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
The situation almost certainly could have been resolved without the need to kill the kid. But I also don't think you can really blame the cops for how it turned out.


Probably 9 times out of 10 situations like this end without a dead kid. The tenth time is really sad and unfortunate for everyone but I don't think you can realistically blame the cops.
cabbyman  2 stars
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Registered: 2003-1-6 07:48:53
Anyone have dibs on his stuff?

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
He was a 15 year old 8th grader. I doubt he has much stuff. Maybe you can have his pellet gun?
sweeny_comodore  4 stars
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Registered: 2007-8-23 18:47:04
There is a huge difference between immediate danger and worry that a stray bullet might go through a wall and injure someone. Immediate danger is shots fired and he's bearing down on an innocent bystander.
kid standing in the hall with a gun in his hand is mo immediate threat to anyone untill he starts aiming at people or he's physically claimed hostages.
Cops are considered to be always in immediate danger and should never fire unless fired upon or when immediate dangerous situations can be stopped.

If cops have the ability to shoot anyone they see holdung a gun, for fear of stray bullets then there would be a lot of dead texans.

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
Uh, he was pointing the gun at the police and wouldn't drop it when they ordered him to.


I am about as anti-use of deadly force as you can come but I can't blame the cops here. You can't expect cops to risk getting killed themselves when someone is pointing a gun at them and refusing to obey instructions.

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