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Tipztoe  4 stars
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Registered: 2004-3-1 17:53:43
GrilledCheez posted:

Yossarian_42 posted:

So now you have to create both an elaborate scenario and a conspiracy in order to discredit the police.



I am not discrediting anyone. I imagine it happened just like the police said. But it is a fact that the police kill people without justification all the time and then get away with it by manipulating the records that they control and the trust that they are almost universally granted in this country. That is a fact. So being sure this is justified based solely on police testimony of the confrontation is retarded. That is also a fact.



sounds like you're blaming the wrong people for police reaction. Try blaming all the idiots who shoot up schools. Who's to say this wasn't another case. Are you going to take that chance with your kid there when a teen is ordered to drop a weapon and refuses?
cherrim  1 star
Posts: 68
Registered: 2003-4-6 21:57:39
GrilledCheez, later in the thread posted:

I hadn't noticed that teachers reported hearing the officers shouting to drop the gun.

I just get frustrated when police officers are automatically believed. I do think the majority of officer shootings are justified though.

I do think this is unfortunate though. Kids are stupid.

 

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Koneg  3 stars
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Registered: 2001-12-4 15:31:28
Sgian_Dubh posted:

Yeah, preemptive violence is always justified when it's a police action.

Actually pre-emptive violence is justified in all actions, private or police.


I carry a firearm. If I see someone brandishing a firearm and I think they're presenting a deadly threat to me or someone I'm lawfully permitted to act in defense of, I'll shoot that asshole - and that is pre-emptive and totally justifiable.


GrilledCheez posted:

Let me ask you this. If they had run in and shot him without identifying themselves, or asking him to lower his weapon, or confronting him verbally at all, what do you think they would have put in their reports, and told the press?

Hey guess what? A citizen doesn't have to do any of the above before they can lawfully shoot this kid. I am not required to further risk my own life by demanding the kid drop his gun, or get on the ground. Only cops are required to potentially draw fire before they can act.


The police acted appropriately. Period.


If you're carrying a fake gun and you get into a confrontation with people who have real guns you have violated rule #1 (see sig) and deserve the rounds coming your way. Sad that the cops have to live with it, regardless of how righteous the shooting was.

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
See, that is why Koneg wins Douchebag of the Year practically every year. There is nothing "righteous" about shooting a moron 15 year old with a fake gun.


I bet if Koneg was there and actually had the balls he pretends to have on the internet he woulda shot the kid then ran up to the corpse and teabagged it before pumping his arm in the air in triumph.
Z-Elder  3 stars
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Registered: 2002-3-15 13:58:39
Well the cops did put one round into the back of the kids head so the RWNs here should be happy.

 

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Koneg  3 stars
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Yukishiro1 posted:

See, that is why Koneg wins Douchebag of the Year practically every year. There is nothing "righteous" about shooting a moron 15 year old with a fake gun.

A "righteous" shooting means the shooter acted appropriately and made the correct judgement when he or she pulled the trigger.


Yukishiro1 posted:

I bet if Koneg was there and actually had the balls he pretends to have on the internet he woulda shot the kid then ran up to the corpse and teabagged it before pumping his arm in the air in triumph.

Please - argue more from ignorance. Once the threat is removed if I've actually had to shoot someone guess what the (not official but you'd better do it anyway) requirement is?


Render aid.


I don't want someone's life on my conscious - if I've had to pull the trigger you can bet I'll be doing everything I can to prevent them from dying.

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
The shot in the back of the head is pretty weird. I didn't see that before.


I mean maybe he got shot and fell and turned as he fell and then got shot again. But it's still weird. Cops shouldn't be shooting for the head at all.*


*inb4 internet idiot says "wut if he's wearing body armor!!111
Koneg  3 stars
Title: Evil Genius
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Registered: 2001-12-4 15:31:28
Yukishiro1 posted:

The shot in the back of the head is pretty weird. I didn't see that before.


I mean maybe he got shot and fell and turned as he fell and then got shot again. But it's still weird.

Not really - you've already said what probably happened.


In addition, there is a half-second or so between the mental decision to pull the trigger and the actuality. More likely the kid was in the process of turning and that gross body movement is what triggered the officer to fire (literally) in the first place.


Yukishiro1 posted:

*inb4 internet idiot says "wut if he's wearing body armor!!111

They aim center of mass because they're not actually aiming that precisely - they have to constantly be aware of what's behind the person they're aiming at and what's happening in their peripheral vision, so they take a sight picture of your torso and leave it at that.


If he was shot in the head, it was likely the last or nearly last round fired. Muzzle rise and the body falling combine to "walk" your shots up.

 

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Tipztoe  4 stars
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Registered: 2004-3-1 17:53:43
yah police don't aim for the head.

Also you can't shoot a flea of a bull dick with handguns like movies would have you believe.
sweeny_comodore  4 stars
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Registered: 2007-8-23 18:47:04
Police have one job in life and that is to ensure suspects get their day in court.
They are not enforcers. They are not a punishment squad.

Here they preemptively shot a KID for holding a pellet gun.
Who forgot to bring the beanbags and forced them to use their real guns?

Thish is a clear case of modern fear mongering causing cops to over react.
Cops are supposed to be trained to handle a crisis wirh a cool and level head to end it in a peaceful manor.

 

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