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Cawlin  Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
Tych2 posted:
Cawlin posted:
What exactly do you think they should have done?
Arrow to the knee.
Yup I said it [face_snap]
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
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Registered: 2003-5-26 14:45:53
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Cawlin posted:
We keep going over it because every time I explain it to you, you rephrase the question and ask it another way. I get that you probably think your trolling is humorous or something, but it just looks like swirly melting down at a slightly slower rate.
I removed everything else and only quoted what I called the crux of the context, the situation. You want to assume the kid was a violent criminal.
When pressured about why you would assume SOMEONE, ANYONE, was a violent criminal - you revert back to the context and situation that we have already moved past. We are trying to have a discussion about lessons learned.
You are like Koneg and unable to extrapolate your thoughts and actions into other contexts. Your assumptions were OBVIOUSLY, IN RETROSPECT, 100% WRONG. Doesn't that give you one sec of pause? A 15 Year old is dead because YOUR ASSUMPTION WAS WRONG. And you apparently don't see anything at all wrong with that and would be 100% comfortable making the same wrong assumption in the future...
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Kamdar  Posts: 147
Registered: 2001-10-7 05:01:29
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
Sin_of_Onin posted:
Last time I checked children dying at school is a pretty good indication that the police office failed to protect the children. The fact that it was the police officer's own stupidity and violence he failed to protect the child from only makes it worse for the police officer.
The man was tasked with an enormous responsibility. The badge, the gun, and the job. He/she failed to live up to any of them. The cop needs to be locked up.
You are a certifiable moron.
I guess in your eyes every military member should be guilty as well since there have still been terrorist acts against civilians?
He shot ONE kid because the idiot wouldn't listen to instructions to drop a weapon.
If this kid had a real gun and shot and killed classmates, you would blame the cop as well for not protecting the kids.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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Date Posted:
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
Cawlin posted:
Sin_of_Onin posted:
It is way more likely the kid will use the gun on himself than on the cops and in the end this story sounds like a suicide by cop or incompetent cops. In either scenario the cops need to do a better job of dealing with the situation.
This story is not about some dark alley, it is about an encounter with an 8th grader isolated in a school hallway.
What exactly do you think they should have done?
They should have treated it like a suicide by cop. There are way too many factors to know exactly what could have been done but there is no doubt that they knew the kid had the gun in school for plenty of time to shoot but didn't. They should know that it is far more likely he is going to shoot himself, especially at that point. I am under the impression he was already isolated. There is no doubt that the first priority is to isolate the child away from others. There is a clear justification for violent force when doing this.
Their next step is to defuse and disarm. From what I understand of the story they chose to escalate and shoot.
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Tych2 Title: Obama Appointed Outpost Czar
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Registered: 2005-3-1 06:56:47
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Date Posted:
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If you bring a gun to school I am going to assume you are a criminal or at the very least assume you are doing something nefarious.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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Kamdar posted:
You are a certifiable moron.
I guess in your eyes every military member should be guilty as well since there have still been terrorist acts against civilians?
He shot ONE kid because the idiot wouldn't listen to instructions to drop a weapon.
If this kid had a real gun and shot and killed classmates, you would blame the cop as well for not protecting the kids.
Yeah the kid had plenty of time to kill people before the cops showed up.
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SoBaKi  Posts: 487
Registered: 2002-2-26 09:31:13
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
reesescups posted:
Cawlin posted:
We keep going over it because every time I explain it to you, you rephrase the question and ask it another way. I get that you probably think your trolling is humorous or something, but it just looks like swirly melting down at a slightly slower rate.
I removed everything else and only quoted what I called the crux of the context, the situation. You want to assume the kid was a violent criminal.
When pressured about why you would assume SOMEONE, ANYONE, was a violent criminal - you revert back to the context and situation that we have already moved past. We are trying to have a discussion about lessons learned.
You are like Koneg and unable to extrapolate your thoughts and actions into other contexts. Your assumptions were OBVIOUSLY, IN RETROSPECT, 100% WRONG. Doesn't that give you one sec of pause? A 15 Year old is dead because YOUR ASSUMPTION WAS WRONG. And you apparently don't see anything at all wrong with that and would be 100% comfortable making the same wrong assumption in the future...
I think you're looking for a nice, neat definition of violent when none can be had. However, in this situation, once the kid pointed the gun at the cops, the potential for REAL violence was established. Had the kid been walking in circles with the gun at his side, you'd have a point. But that isn't what happened.
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
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Registered: 2003-5-26 14:45:53
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Date Posted:
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Kamdar posted:
If this kid had a real gun and shot and killed classmates, you would blame the cop as well for not protecting the kids.
Not at all - if he had done that there would not be any assumption about him being a violent criminal.
Do you expect to have a cop stationed in every classroom???
The cop can't be held responsible for not protecting people before he is even called to the scene. That would be address more correctly with Cawlin's earlier suggestion with metal detectors and such...
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Kamdar Posts: 147
Registered: 2001-10-7 05:01:29
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
reesescups posted:
Cawlin posted:
The cops protected the other children from what you or anyone else would have assumed was a violent criminal in the moment, and rightly so.
This is the crux of it IMO.
Why on earth would you ASSUME a 15 year old was a violent criminal?
Does having a gun automatically make you a violent criminal, really? I got tons of guns, am I a violent criminal?
Does having a Gun on school property make you a criminal or a violent criminal?
Do you understand what the term violent means?
Waving a gun at a cop..going into a classroom and striking another kid while holding a gun..
THAT makes you violent criminal.
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Z-Elder  Posts: 671
Registered: 2002-3-15 13:58:39
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:03am
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The kid was running in a hall with a gun. This had been going on for some time. He was talked to by teachers prior to the cops being called and their leaving the doughnut shop and coming to the middle school. He never fired a round. He never threatened to kill anyone.
Anyone a cop kills "pointed" something at them so that doesn't mean much to me. They can always Justify their use of force and their fellow gang members will back them up.
I do not see any deadly threat here except in the imaginations of the killers and their fans.
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