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Cawlin  Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
Sin_of_Onin posted:
Yes a whole bunch of people will DIE if cops think.
No, lots fewer people die BECAUSE cops think and BECAUSE cops are trained with certain priorities in situations like this, to protect themselves and other civilians from the one making the threat.
These situations aren't like some sort of process map or SOP you can memorize and follow and for every possible little thing that goes on, you can have a predetermined next step to go to. Every one of these situations is dynamic and not exactly like the one before it. There are no absolutes except for the fact that people will try to pretend that they could have done better because they know facts after the incident that nobody could have known in the moment.
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SoBaKi  Posts: 487
Registered: 2002-2-26 09:31:13
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Date Posted:
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
Sin_of_Onin posted:
Of course you Monday morning QB it because everything they do is about training.
Suicide by cop is not a new thing. Suicide of teenagers is not a new thing.
I would hope that cops look at this and rethink their approach.
Defusing and disarming would accomplish their goals better than confront and shoot.
Unless a cop or an innocent bystander gets killed DURING the defuse and disarm phase of the operation, right?
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Date Posted:
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
SoBaKi posted:
Sin_of_Onin posted:
Of course you Monday morning QB it because everything they do is about training.
Suicide by cop is not a new thing. Suicide of teenagers is not a new thing.
I would hope that cops look at this and rethink their approach.
Defusing and disarming would accomplish their goals better than confront and shoot.
Unless a cop or an innocent bystander gets killed DURING the defuse and disarm phase of the operation, right?
Everyone thinks that their Dr. Feelgood decision tree and response matrix to be applied in these situations will automagically work and nobody will ever get hurt as a result of it.
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GrilledCheez Title: The Lord's Balls
Posts: 1,060
Registered: 2006-3-22 11:06:32
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:04am
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
If you point a gun at someone you have threatened deadly force. How is that even debatable? That may be the most clear cut of threat of deadly force possible.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:04am
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
Like I said before they didn't just happen on this kid in a dark alley. The situation is very clearly a kid with a gun in school. He has not shot the gun and he is isolated. The biggest threat before the cops show up is a threat to the kid himself. The cops escalated the situation and made it a no choice scenario.
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SoBaKi Posts: 487
Registered: 2002-2-26 09:31:13
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
Sin_of_Onin posted:
Like I said before they didn't just happen on this kid in a dark alley. The situation is very clearly a kid with a gun in school. He has not shot the gun and he is isolated. The biggest threat before the cops show up is a threat to the kid himself. The cops escalated the situation and made it a no choice scenario.
Wait...what?
The biggest threat when a kid has a gun at school is to the kid himself?
I'm sure those families in Columbine would have a different opinion about that.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Date Posted:
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
Sin_of_Onin posted:
Like I said before they didn't just happen on this kid in a dark alley. The situation is very clearly a kid with a gun in school. He has not shot the gun and he is isolated. The biggest threat before the cops show up is a threat to the kid himself. The cops escalated the situation and made it a no choice scenario.
So you're saying that the kid presented no threat to the cops themselves? Or are you saying that the threat presented by the kid to the lives of the cops is not important and shouldn't be considered?
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GrilledCheez Title: The Lord's Balls
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Registered: 2006-3-22 11:06:32
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Date Posted:
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
The cops were called to the scene. this is an unfortunate outcome. And a hero cop might have played it differently. But as a rule, I don't think you can make cops not shoot someone who is threatening them with deadly force.
The fact that they are cops doesn't take away their right to defend themselves. It doesn't mean they must shoot, but it certainly means they can.
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Z-Elder  Posts: 671
Registered: 2002-3-15 13:58:39
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:04am
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
Sin_of_Onin posted:
Like I said before they didn't just happen on this kid in a dark alley. The situation is very clearly a kid with a gun in school. He has not shot the gun and he is isolated. The biggest threat before the cops show up is a threat to the kid himself. The cops escalated the situation and made it a no choice scenario.
The end.
If you are a pussy do not take the call or the badge. Sadly most do.
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SoBaKi Posts: 487
Registered: 2002-2-26 09:31:13
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Date Posted:
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Subject:
Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
Z-Elder posted:
Sin_of_Onin posted:
Like I said before they didn't just happen on this kid in a dark alley. The situation is very clearly a kid with a gun in school. He has not shot the gun and he is isolated. The biggest threat before the cops show up is a threat to the kid himself. The cops escalated the situation and made it a no choice scenario.
The end.
If you are a pussy do not take the call or the badge. Sadly most do.
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