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vn_nnanji  Title: Outpost Music Expert
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Registered: 2001-6-30 17:22:56
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It's comforting to know that so many outposters are also deadly force experts.
Which is kinda surprising since most of their experience with deadly force would be eating too many cupcakes.
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GrilledCheez Title: The Lord's Balls
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Registered: 2006-3-22 11:06:32
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THAT"S NOT WHAT YUR MOM SAID!
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
Posts: 2,537
Registered: 2003-5-26 14:45:53
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
Cawlin posted:
reesescups posted:
Cawlin posted:
We keep going over it because every time I explain it to you, you rephrase the question and ask it another way. I get that you probably think your trolling is humorous or something, but it just looks like swirly melting down at a slightly slower rate.
I removed everything else and only quoted what I called the crux of the context, the situation. You want to assume the kid was a violent criminal.
When pressured about why you would assume SOMEONE, ANYONE, was a violent criminal - you revert back to the context and situation that we have already moved past. We are trying to have a discussion about lessons learned.
You are like Koneg and unable to extrapolate your thoughts and actions into other contexts. Your assumptions were OBVIOUSLY, IN RETROSPECT, 100% WRONG. Doesn't that give you one sec of pause? A 15 Year old is dead because YOUR ASSUMPTION WAS WRONG. And you apparently don't see anything at all wrong with that and would be 100% comfortable making the same wrong assumption in the future...
The thing is you cannot "monday morning quarterback" this scenario.
Actually yes we can... because we are not in the scenario and we have more information available to us so that we can LEARN from it. We aren't trying to lay blame on the cop, the cop did what he had to do. Case effing closed for the quadrillionth time...
I have ALREADY STATED NUMEROUS times that what the cop did in context and at the time was acceptable. case closed.
Now would you drag your knuckles into the current conversation? You know the one where we look at the evidence of the case not to lay blame but to learn from it??? Or is discussing and learning something you are 100% against?
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:04am
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
GrilledCheez posted:
If you point a gun at someone you have threatened deadly force. How is that even debatable? That may be the most clear cut of threat of deadly force possible.
No kidding. I don't see how this thread can continue. I am as anti police shooting people as it comes but if you point a gun at a police officer and don't obey when they tell you to stop doing it and they shoot you they didn't do anything wrong.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
reesescups posted:
Now would you drag your knuckles into the current conversation? You know the one where we look at the evidence of the case not to lay blame but to learn from it??? Or is discussing and learning something you are 100% against?
You're the only one trying to make the conversation different. I'm humoring you and listening, but you keep failing to supply any input on this.
What exactly is it that you think we should learn from this situation? What exactly is it that you think we haven't learned from other situations similar but not exactly like this one that led those police officers to act the way they did in this case?
What the hell exactly is your point?
Stop dancing around it, what is it that you think should be learned from this case that is new?
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
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Registered: 2003-5-26 14:45:53
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
Cawlin posted:
reesescups posted:
Now would you drag your knuckles into the current conversation? You know the one where we look at the evidence of the case not to lay blame but to learn from it??? Or is discussing and learning something you are 100% against?
You're the only one trying to make the conversation different. I'm humoring you and listening, but you keep failing to supply any input on this.
Says the guy that just keeps jumping in and knocking the conversation back...
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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Date Posted:
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
SoBaKi posted:
Sin_of_Onin posted:
Like I said before they didn't just happen on this kid in a dark alley. The situation is very clearly a kid with a gun in school. He has not shot the gun and he is isolated. The biggest threat before the cops show up is a threat to the kid himself. The cops escalated the situation and made it a no choice scenario.
Wait...what?
The biggest threat when a kid has a gun at school is to the kid himself?
I'm sure those families in Columbine would have a different opinion about that.
The cops arrived later and there were no shots fired. Columbine is a great example of how cops can treat a situation differently before they even set foot on campus.
The cops were not threatened until they put themselves in harms way. That is their job. It is also their job to protect the other students and faculty.
Like I said before there are too many variables to know for sure about this scenario and the options but this scenario does demonstrate that kids will commit suicide by cop.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
reesescups posted:
Cawlin posted:
reesescups posted:
Now would you drag your knuckles into the current conversation? You know the one where we look at the evidence of the case not to lay blame but to learn from it??? Or is discussing and learning something you are 100% against?
You're the only one trying to make the conversation different. I'm humoring you and listening, but you keep failing to supply any input on this.
Says the guy that just keeps jumping in and knocking the conversation back...
You got anything or not? You keep on blathering about what you think we should learn from this but keep failing to provide any of that information. Stop being a retarded troll if you actually have something to say.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
GrilledCheez posted:
The cops were called to the scene. this is an unfortunate outcome. And a hero cop might have played it differently. But as a rule, I don't think you can make cops not shoot someone who is threatening them with deadly force.
The fact that they are cops doesn't take away their right to defend themselves. It doesn't mean they must shoot, but it certainly means they can.
Why did it get to that point of no return?
What can be done differently to prevent suicide by cop?
I don't expect anyone here to know the answer to these questions but I do expect the cops to be asking these questions and not stop at the fact the kid pointed the gun at the cop so he was shot.
There are red flags in this story that distinguish it from a simple confrontation everyone is focusing on.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
Sin_of_Onin posted:
GrilledCheez posted:
The cops were called to the scene. this is an unfortunate outcome. And a hero cop might have played it differently. But as a rule, I don't think you can make cops not shoot someone who is threatening them with deadly force.
The fact that they are cops doesn't take away their right to defend themselves. It doesn't mean they must shoot, but it certainly means they can.
Why did it get to that point of no return?
What can be done differently to prevent suicide by cop?
I don't expect anyone here to know the answer to these questions but I do expect the cops to be asking these questions and not stop at the fact the kid pointed the gun at the cop so he was shot.
There are red flags in this story that distinguish it from a simple confrontation everyone is focusing on.
What can be done to prevent suicide by stepping in front of a train?
Seriously man, even if there were metal detectors in school, the kid may well have just gone out on the street and threatened some cops...
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