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Cawlin  Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
Sin_of_Onin posted:
Was the kid in any position to hurt other kids or other adults (besides the cops)? From what I read it sounded like he was already isolated.
The cop's job is first to protect everyone else, after that it is about defusing the situation. Shooting the kid is a very clear indication they failed.
He was in a hallway with a loaded gun - a gun that could very well have been capable of shooting through the doors into the classrooms where other children were.
He was also pointing his weapon AT THE COPS.
Cops are not obligated to take a bullet to avoid putting one into you if you're threatening them, that's just not how it works.
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
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Registered: 2003-5-26 14:45:53
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
Cawlin posted:
The cops protected the other children from what you or anyone else would have assumed was a violent criminal in the moment, and rightly so.
This is the crux of it IMO.
Why on earth would you ASSUME a 15 year old was a violent criminal?
Does having a gun automatically make you a violent criminal, really? I got tons of guns, am I a violent criminal?
Does having a Gun on school property make you a criminal or a violent criminal?
Do you understand what the term violent means?
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Kjarhall  Title: The Pungent One
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
I'm totally anti-gun, and even i think Sweeneys arguments are idiotic.
You cannot point what looks like a real gun at a cop and then fault him for shooting after warning repeatedly. The End.
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
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Registered: 2003-5-26 14:45:53
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
Koneg posted:
Because we're not stupid?
A LA CONTRAIE - you are effign stupid Metalface....
Go back to pick your nose in the corner and playing IT schmuck!!
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
reesescups posted:
Cawlin posted:
The cops protected the other children from what you or anyone else would have assumed was a violent criminal in the moment, and rightly so.
This is the crux of it IMO.
Why on earth would you ASSUME a 15 year old was a violent criminal?
Does having a gun automatically make you a violent criminal, really? I got tons of guns, am I a violent criminal?
Does having a Gun on school property make you a criminal or a violent criminal?
Do you understand what the term violent means?
He was POINTING THE GUN AT THE POLICE, that constitutes a threat of violence and is a criminal act. Further he refused to drop the weapon upon being ordered to do so. That constitutes a greater threat of imminent violence. These police acted as expected when presented with a clear threat of violence from a perpetrator.
The fact that IN RETROSPECT it was determined that the VERY REAL LOOKING gun was just a pellet gun is immaterial. Any reasonable person would have considered it a reasonable likelihood that the weapon was lethal.
And for the record, I probably have more firearms than you do and I am licensed to carry as well. That's neither here nor there but it makes me laugh when you ask me, of all people, stupid questions like "does having a gun make you a violent criminal".
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
Cawlin posted:
reesescups posted:
Cawlin posted:
The cops protected the other children from what you or anyone else would have assumed was a violent criminal in the moment, and rightly so.
This is the crux of it IMO.
Why on earth would you ASSUME a 15 year old was a violent criminal?
Does having a gun automatically make you a violent criminal, really? I got tons of guns, am I a violent criminal?
Does having a Gun on school property make you a criminal or a violent criminal?
Do you understand what the term violent means?
He was POINTING THE GUN AT THE POLICE, that constitutes a threat of violence and is a criminal act.
Yes in this situation - completely agree - why do we have to keep rehashing this.
I guess you just aren't capable of moving past this - which is I guess understandable and why we accept this in society..
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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Date Posted:
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
It is way more likely the kid will use the gun on himself than on the cops and in the end this story sounds like a suicide by cop or incompetent cops. In either scenario the cops need to do a better job of dealing with the situation.
This story is not about some dark alley, it is about an encounter with an 8th grader isolated in a school hallway.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Date Posted:
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
reesescups posted:
Cawlin posted:
reesescups posted:
This is the crux of it IMO.
Why on earth would you ASSUME a 15 year old was a violent criminal?
Does having a gun automatically make you a violent criminal, really? I got tons of guns, am I a violent criminal?
Does having a Gun on school property make you a criminal or a violent criminal?
Do you understand what the term violent means?
He was POINTING THE GUN AT THE POLICE, that constitutes a threat of violence and is a criminal act.
Yes in this situation - completely agree - why do we have to keep rehashing this.
I guess you just aren't capable of moving past this - which is I guess understandable and why we accept this in society..
We keep going over it because every time I explain it to you, you rephrase the question and ask it another way. I get that you probably think your trolling is humorous or something, but it just looks like swirly melting down at a slightly slower rate.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Date Posted:
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Texas police kill 8th-grader carrying pellet gun |
Sin_of_Onin posted:
It is way more likely the kid will use the gun on himself than on the cops and in the end this story sounds like a suicide by cop or incompetent cops. In either scenario the cops need to do a better job of dealing with the situation.
This story is not about some dark alley, it is about an encounter with an 8th grader isolated in a school hallway.
What exactly do you think they should have done?
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Tych2 Title: Obama Appointed Outpost Czar
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Registered: 2005-3-1 06:56:47
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Cawlin posted:
What exactly do you think they should have done?
Arrow to the knee.
Yup I said it [face_snap]
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