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TSA detains Rand Paul after he refuses pat down [Locked] |
theredkay1  Posts: 611
Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
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TSA detains Rand Paul after he refuses pat down |
Tipztoe posted:
theredkay1 posted:
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How were any of those violated? I think the TSA is largely a waste of resources, but your argument doesnt work.
the government does not have the right to detain and search you without probable cause or a warrant
you mad?
I think they have to ask your permission correct? And you can choose to not give them that permission...right? Doing so usually ends up with you foregoing your flight, but there is no constitutional guarantee to plane flights.
I aint mad at cha
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Sea_of_inK  Posts: 488
Registered: 2004-10-18 12:57:37
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TSA detains Rand Paul after he refuses pat down |
Scarne posted:
Sea_of_inK posted:
I don't understand why there is so much resentment towards airport security. Do you all not see the purpose? Bowlartz I remember to be a mega fascist when discussing OWS but he's dead on right on this. If a police officer wants to breathalize you, he can, and if the airport security wants to pat you down or scan your breast milk, than they can.
TSA agents are not officers of the law. 
Which is why they can not and do not 'detain' you.
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1/1/00 12:00am
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TSA detains Rand Paul after he refuses pat down |
Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
Don't go over to someones house and expect to play by your rules. The airports have every right to secure themselves from rabid Congressmen.
If you want to eat at my restaurant then pay my $1000 security fee.
If you dont like it then macDs is down the road.
You'll feel much safer when all tue resthave implemented this.
If you want to shop a my mall you have to do it naked so we can prevent theft.
If you dont like it then find another mall.
Do any of yo understand what it means to have inalienable rights?
It means that no person, company or government agency has the power to make you give them up for any reason.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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TSA detains Rand Paul after he refuses pat down |
Brother_Tempus posted:
Bowlartz posted:
He was never detained.
You have no right to fly on a plane.
The freedom to travel is an inalienable right. Government has no power to stop you from boarding a plane that you have contracted.
Your contract with the airliners is contingent on you going through security successfully. I believe it's right there on your ticket.
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Taliesihne  Title: Wind on the Deep Waters
Posts: 1,117
Registered: 2004-2-19 04:47:59
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1/1/00 12:00am
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TSA detains Rand Paul after he refuses pat down |
theredkay1 posted:
I think they have to ask your permission correct? And you can choose to not give them that permission...right? Doing so usually ends up with you foregoing your flight, but there is no constitutional guarantee to plane flights.
I aint mad at cha
The TSA is on record as saying:
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“Once a person submits to the screening process, they can not just decide to leave†warned Sari Koshetz, a TSA spokesperson. TSA officials say that anyone refusing both the “full body scanners†and the “enhanced pat down†procedures will be taken into custody.
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Sea_of_inK Posts: 488
Registered: 2004-10-18 12:57:37
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TSA detains Rand Paul after he refuses pat down |
sweeny_comodore posted:
It means that no person, company or government agency has the power to make you give them up for any reason.
Unless there is someone forcing you to get onto a plane, there is nobody asking you to give up anything.
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Sansfear Posts: 757
Registered: 2008-8-31 05:04:52
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1/1/00 12:00am
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TSA detains Rand Paul after he refuses pat down |
Taliesihne posted:
The TSA is on record as saying:
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“Once a person submits to the screening process, they can not just decide to leave†warned Sari Koshetz, a TSA spokesperson. TSA officials say that anyone refusing both the “full body scanners†and the “enhanced pat down†procedures will be taken into custody.
Exactly. There was a recent case where a rape victim was arrested after she refused to have her breasts groped.
http://www.kvue.com/news/local/Woman-arrested-at-ABIA-after-refusing-enhanced-pat-down-112354199.html
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Tipztoe Posts: 1,775
Registered: 2004-3-1 17:53:43
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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TSA detains Rand Paul after he refuses pat down |
Bowlartz posted:
" You have no right to fly on a plane.
It's a good thing then that this has absolutely nothing to do with flying on planes. "
It kinda does when people insist that their rights to unreasonable search are being violated when attempting to...fly on a plane. There is no unreasonable search involved. DUI Check points have been upheld by the SCOTUS more than once and easily mimic what is going on with the TSA and flying on planes.
"The freedom to travel is an inalienable right."
Method of said travel is in no way covered in the US Constitution, therefor it is left up to the legislative branch and has been held up by the US Supreme Court.
TSA agents get the same training as law enforement?
haha
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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TSA detains Rand Paul after he refuses pat down |
sweeny_comodore posted:
Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
Don't go over to someones house and expect to play by your rules. The airports have every right to secure themselves from rabid Congressmen.
If you want to eat at my restaurant then pay my $1000 security fee.
If you dont like it then macDs is down the road.
You'll feel much safer when all tue resthave implemented this.
If you want to shop a my mall you have to do it naked so we can prevent theft.
If you dont like it then find another mall.
Do any of yo understand what it means to have inalienable rights?
It means that no person, company or government agency has the power to make you give them up for any reason.
Your right to board a missile with hostages infringes on my rights of Life and security. You're more than welcome to create a mandatory nudist mall (i hear theres a lot of fatties at those things) or charge whatever you want for security. (I'm pretty sure you can't defraud people though, so that security charge better only cover security fees). Your lack of understanding piracy might come into play here, but in America you have the freedom to charge people as much as you want for the meal. You've never heard of $5,000 a plate meals? You also have the freedom to not patronize those places. Theres no such thing as a free meal here either.
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ZigmundZag Title: Grammar Nazi
Posts: 1,211
Registered: 2002-3-25 23:03:00
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Date Posted:
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TSA detains Rand Paul after he refuses pat down |
I don't think there's any doubt that TSA detentions have happened, and they should be challenged when they do. What I'm more interested in is whether or not Rand Paul was detained, or if he was asked to sit tight while a law enforcement officer made his way to the gate to escort him out of the airport. I find it highly plausible, if not likely, that the senator was grandstanding. I suppose on one level he should be commended for practicing what he preaches, but as many have said here already you do not have an inalienable right to board a plane without proper security precautions. You may disagree with those security precautions as I do, but that doesn't make them unconstitutional.
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