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Bowlartz  1 star
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"Do any of yo understand what it means to have inalienable rights?
It means that no person, company or government agency has the power to make you give them up for any reason."


So you really have no concept of how the US Constitution or "rights" work.

No right is absolute. Learn it, live it...move on.

 

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Taliesihne  4 stars
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Bowlartz posted:

So you really have no concept of how the US Constitution or "rights" work.

No right is absolute. Learn it, live it...move on.



They aren't the ones in error.

I suggest re-reading the Declaration of Independence.

 

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sweeny_comodore  4 stars
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My rights are protected by the cinstitution EVERYWHERE within the borders of this country.
They are not only protected when some corporation says they are.
As long as that company's property is within the borders of the us then they can not violate my rights for any reason.
They are not allowed to dangle their services in front of my face and demand to violate my rights in exchange for product.
Nobodies rights are more valid or important than the ones granted to me by the constitution.
If you believe otherwise then move to china or some country with sharia law.

 

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Bowlartz  1 star
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"My rights are protected by the cinstitution EVERYWHERE within the borders of this country.
They are not only protected when some corporation says they are."


So you are saying you can walk into a private business and start yelling to the customers about how the company sucks and you have an absolute right to not be removed because your right to free speech is ultimate?

Because not only would that make you beyond stupid, it kind of makes you dangerous.

 

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Altra_Shadowstalker  4 stars
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Specifically, what rights are you referring to that are being infringed upon?

 

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theredkay1  3 stars
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Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
I dont think any of these TSA rules apply when travelling on your own. Getting your own plane gets you around these rules.


The rights of other passengers and the airline to not get blown up or flown into a building must be factored into the equation.


As ineffectual as the TSA is, there dont appear to be constitutional violations here.
Kjarhall  3 stars
Title: The Pungent One
Posts: 915
Registered: 2002-3-1 15:47:21
Bowlartz posted:

"Maybe not, but it's still not what America is supposed to be about. This is the kind of stuff we make fun of when it happens in other countries. Jokes on us."


You need a license for a car. Driving is a privilege, not a right. Flying is the same way.

The TSA can not walk around the streets or go into people's houses and search or detain them. You are volunteering to use a mode of transportation that has now been deemed with reasonable evidence to require that passengers be checked before boarding.

If you don't want to be searched...don't fly. If you don't want to pay car insurance...don't drive.



Nothing you said changes what i wrote.

 

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Brother_Tempus  3 stars
Title: Patriot
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Registered: 2001-1-9 08:07:00
Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

Brother_Tempus posted:

Bowlartz posted:

He was never detained.

You have no right to fly on a plane.



The freedom to travel is an inalienable right. Government has no power to stop you from boarding a plane that you have contracted.



Your contract with the airliners is contingent on nithung but an agreement between tou and rhem despite the immoral argument about security the government tries to make .



Fixed for accuracy especially after today's ruling by SCOTUS. Just because government says it can does not mean what they do is legal

 

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sweeny_comodore  4 stars
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Registered: 2007-8-23 18:47:04
Bowlartz posted:

"My rights are protected by the cinstitution EVERYWHERE within the borders of this country.
They are not only protected when some corporation says they are."


So you are saying you can walk into a private business and start yelling to the customers about how the company sucks and you have an absolute right to not be removed because your right to free speech is ultimate?

Because not only would that make you beyond stupid, it kind of makes you dangerous.



Free speech doesnt cover libel or slander.

 

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Altra_Shadowstalker  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-1-17 11:48:15
Thank you BT, my post is much more accurate now that there is a bunch of typos in it.

That's very true, your contract is "nothing more" than the agreement you have with the airliner. That agreement involves going through their security checkpoints. If you want to breach your contract with them, then you are in effect deciding not to fly.

Or in an anarchists world, are contracts meaningless?

 

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