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AzureTyger  2 stars
Title: Awesome
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Registered: 2002-4-1 15:49:04
Socialism is pretty awful. Capitalism is the best we have and it is reasonably successful when informed by good regulation, empowered labor, and a social safety net. The governing parties of the US have allowed the first two to be stripped bare while botching the handling of the third royally.

 

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Ptilk  4 stars
Title: Creepy old pirate
Posts: 2,359
Registered: 2002-2-13 14:52:58
Socialism isn't any more awful than capitalism. Or any better. Not inherently anyway. A mix of free market and socialism is what we have always had in this country. The mixed market model works...but it isn't perfect and is easily subject to abuse if those in power are corrupt, as is the situation now in the USA>
paulg_68  4 stars
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Registered: 2009-7-27 18:45:54
Cawlin posted:

Most people who rail against capitalism are actually railing against fascism.

It's true that capitalism needs to be properly regulated in order for it to serve the people rather than for the people to serve it. The difficulty in that is that our government has become quite literally, extremely fascist and there is almost total collusion between our government and the corporate entities.

Obviously the corporate entities are run by humans, as is our government. They're both just groups of people scratching each others' backs.

We need a reboot.


What capitalism haters fail to realize is that regulations are the way that capitalism gets eliminated and replaced with corporatism.

If we actually had more capitalism, most of the crap they complain about would go away.

 

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Szerek  2 stars
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Friarspam posted:

What is YOUR suggestion for the US as an alternative?

Come on, I can't WAIT to hear this.


Please make sure that it is a "real" system.

Oh, and it would be nice if this system allowed for individual freedom, property ownership, and the like.



I'll be able to give you an answer when we actually try free market capitalism.

 

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reesescups  4 stars
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Registered: 2003-5-26 14:45:53
Szerek posted:

Friarspam posted:

What is YOUR suggestion for the US as an alternative?

Come on, I can't WAIT to hear this.


Please make sure that it is a "real" system.

Oh, and it would be nice if this system allowed for individual freedom, property ownership, and the like.



I'll be able to give you an answer when we actually try free market capitalism.

That will never happen as there is no such thing outside of theory.

 

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PackHunter
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Registered: 2001-12-20 06:39:10
Funny how nobody ever mentions that pesky "Full Information" component to true capitalism...



I wonder why that is?

 

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paulg_68  4 stars
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I say all the time that one of the best uses for government is to ensure that people have the information they need to make good decisions.

Libtards always counter by saying that people shouldn't be allowed to make their own decisions because they are stupid and helpless and have to be cared for.

 

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Szerek  2 stars
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Registered: 2000-8-8 09:26:09
paulg_68 posted:

I say all the time that one of the best uses for government is to ensure that people have the information they need to make good decisions.

Libtards always counter by saying that people shouldn't be allowed to make their own decisions because they are stupid and helpless and have to be cared for.





And conservatives say????

 

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paulg_68  4 stars
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Registered: 2009-7-27 18:45:54
Conservatives or big government neocons?

 

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Fist_de_Yuma  3 stars
Posts: 571
Registered: 2001-12-20 21:17:22
The danger to capitalism is people using government to gain an advantage. This tilts the system into something evil. The solution is to get government out of it along with giving everyone the information they need to make wise choices. If you know a company is breaking the moral rules you will not shop with that company. If you know a company is sending out bad food you will not buy food from that company.

When you have "government inspectors" you put a human factor that has the force of government. If government makes the rules then the companies will put more of their money into government to insure they have the advantage over others. The threat to them is not government but new companies with better ideas. They use government to put land mines in the way of anyone starting out.

Governments love status quo. It is against change. If you want things to never get better than they are then you should support big government.

There should be no doubt that the current economic problems were created by government interference in the housing market. Yes, greed and stupidity created a house cards that the housing crash caused. Nevertheless we would not have the crash if not for government interference.

Obama often uses the excuse we should keep his failed policies because of the bad old days of Bush. What he fails to say is his policies were a major part of the bad old days. More of what was wrong is not going to fix anything.

It is my opinion that Obama does not want to fix anything. He thinks the worse things are the more power government can grab, in order to fix it. He believes he can “campaign” his way out of our problems, even if the major problem is him. Sadly he might just do it.

 

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