Yeah?

How was your winter last year? Because VT is warm this year and bitter cold last year.
We have zero snow on the ground and last year we had record snowfall.

Let me guess... both years were caused by man-made global warming?

It is possible, yes.

Adding more energy into a chaotic system can end up creating more chaos with extreme swings between highs and lows.

 

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I think it's because they're afraid that by reaching consensus, it will lead to actually trying to do something about it, and they disagree with the methods discussed to do that.

So they figure, in order to 'save us from ourselves' (and it's mostly from the small gov't crowd believing it will only make the gov't bigger and more powerful, from what i've seen), they need to prevent the problem from existing in the first place.

 

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Anyone who believes in man-made global warming is ignoring three very important things:

1. How much CO2 is in the atmosphere and how much it contributes to warming.
2. That cows and other mammals produce enormous amounts of methane which is a much more harmful greenhouse gas. (Save the planet kill all the cows!)
3. We don't know why the Earth cooled and warmed in the past. Period.

Human kind needs to adapt to a warmer planet, not try to stop the planet from warming.

 

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1) That's kind of the point why we're worried you know. Because we know how much there is and its physical properties are well known.
2) Man made cows. HTH
3) Yes we do; Semicolon.

 

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I dont think any of these are ignored.


One of the key pieces of the man made climate change argument is to look at the total cycle. Natural processes emit lots of greenhouse gases (cows, plants decomposing), but these processes are often directly tied to an event that pulls CO2 out of the atmosphere. A plant dies and 'pollutes' as it decomposes...but this event spurs the growth of another plant which largely offsets the pollution.


If human power plants were belching out CO2 for the sole purpose of building new trees, this cycle would be very different.


A bathtub analogy might help. The faucet pours water in, the drain pulls water out....as long as the two are roughly in balance, the tub doesnt overflow. If you pour a little extra water in without widening the drain, water levels rise...even if your addition is small compared to the amount coming out of the faucet.


Your third point doesnt make for a good argument. We cant identify a cause of death for everyone in the history of the the planet...but this doesnt hamper our ability to determine a cause of death right now. Plus we know quite a bit about previous warming and cooling periods...not sure why you feel that you need to pretend that we dont.

Ok so very very few people here are in actual denial about climate change. The others believe in it, they are just really really against any corrective actions or policies. I am dig that.


I honestly thought more people were in straight up denial...

 

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I bet even that is less than you think. Most people don't mine recycling and using cloth bags and using energy saving light bulbs. It really depends on what is proposed.

 

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There is a lot of valid debate about the general nature of the magnitude of the climate change as well... i.e. scope and scale are important in the discussion and there is huge disagreement about that.

 

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