Dozens freeze to death as 'extreme cold' grips Europe


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46200659/ns/weather/

 

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and?

Other than showcasing your ignorance, what's your point?

 

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My definition is right there.

Does Matrix reject the science behind global warming? Hard to tell from one statement, but I'd have to say probably not.

Now will you please get on with wherever your GOTCHA is leading? I have a meeting in a few minutes.

 

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Unsurprisingly, no one posting in this thread has both identified themselves as a denier and also provided an answer to the question posed by OP. I wonder if they aren't embarrassed or unable or both?

 

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The average winter temperature in eastern canada 10 years ago was around -17

in 2012, it is -2


Yeah, nothing to see here people. The climate is EXACTLY the way it's been for the last 20 years !

 

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Matrix's position was pretty clear (and is very close to my own, obviously):

He does believe that there is some climate variation going on.

He does not believe that man can fix it without risking more than would possibly be gained.


Do 95% of climatologists believe that global warming is anthropogenic?

Do 95% of them think we have to support carbon credits?


Really the issue is that anyone who thinks as Matrix and I do, that mankind either is not wholly responsible for any climate change we're seeing or cannot fix it, is treated as some sort of creationist simply because we don't think that schemes like carbon credits and many other "green" products are going to make a huge difference and are in fact, likely to be scams.


Yes, the climate seems to be changing. It is unclear to me how dramatic this change is with respect to the average climate over the course of the planet's history or even the history of the past few thousand years.

No, I'm not willing to support the Church of Al Gore and let there be national or global initiatives to fill his and his investors' pockets. I am skeptical and cynical about his and the other corporate motives behind the "buy new stuff" folks, just as I am skeptical about the motives behind the fossil fuels industry trying to get traction with the denial of any climate change happening whatsoever.

 

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I believe there is some truth to the science Im on the fence about mankind being the solo or vast majority of the cause.


I am rabidly against some of the crazy ideas that have been put out to "fix" the problem.


I really like the short bit ive read on Obama's energy plan, we need to encourage greener fuels, I like the outdoors and want to see them stay healthy and the animals to be healthy as well, on the flip side though you cannot just flip a switch and get off coal and oil, I say best bet 15-20 years if we seriously push green energy.


Thats why I dont think im a denier but I am skeptical, I think science should continue to dig... what I have read on the subject looks like (some) science dug to where they were told to stop and then stopped.


I have not devoted a great deal of time to studying it because without the proper schooling its a little hard for me to read and feel like I have a decent comprehension of the subject.


On a personal side note I wish we would stop expanding cities, I hate big cities for many reasons (social and enviormental) but thats a whole other discussion.

climates change.
i am not in denial.
ours has been changing drastically from a completely frozen solid globe to completely thawed and mostly tropical with thick and heavy atmosphere composed of mostly co2 or o2, at different times.

we are currently leaving an overly warm ice age and apparently moving into an overly warm post iceage. before the previous iceage there was the medival warm period.
this is all proven and accepted fact by climatologists.
considering the thermometer has only really existed for maybe a hundred years and only really been accurate for, maybe 50ish, id say any graphs posted by anyone that attempt to show accurate temps from more than 25 years ago is foolish at best.
actually 25 years is probably a bad number considering its 2012, so ill say anything before 1980 is suspect at best.
in reality we have no idea what the average global temperature was in 1930 any more than we do in 1390 or ad390. all we have is geological evidence which gives a round about estimate and considering youre talking a warming trend of 1.5 degree with a historical accuracy rating of +/- 15 degrees, you do the math...


and you want to control the global climate....
morons

 

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Not wanting to waste money on non proven tech over a non prove risk perhaps? Liberals are such fools.

While attacking Wall Street they work hard to open a new market that will make Wall Street even bigger. As is normal liberals say something while working hard against it. They say they are for women and gay rights while at the same time trying to support a religion that denies them both. The only thing consistence with liberals is how inconsistence they are.

They claim they are for freedom while working hard to impose a government that does not allow freedom. "Freedom of speech!", but not speech they disaprove of. They willingly become slaves because they think they will be the master slave.

 

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I think I just reached enlightenment.

 

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