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Thugoneous  4 stars
Title: Watching Caliente, BRB.
Posts: 1,128
Registered: 2002-11-2 18:00:54
Why would spirituality make any alien nonviolent? What if he zenith of spirituality is destroying planets and eating the inhabitants?

 

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Coriolus  3 stars
Title: Outpost Ice Mexican
Posts: 905
Registered: 2002-5-17 06:20:48
Thugoneous posted:

Why would spirituality make any alien nonviolent? What if he zenith of spirituality is destroying planets and eating the inhabitants?



Highly evolved and enlightened beings would undoubtedly have consciousness that understands and rationalizes 'being' at a much higher level. They would understand the futility in harming life and in being destructive both physically and emotionally. They would most likely be students of the universe(s) and would strive to learn as much about the universe(s) as they could, explorers. It is highly unlikely that a race bent on destruction and hate would survive very long simply because early on in their planet's evolution that hate would be directed toward their fellow beings which would undoubtedly lead to their destruction, UNLESS they made it through those trouble times somehow and managed to have a shift in their consciousness which I think is possible.

 

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Rhint  2 stars
Posts: 268
Registered: 2002-9-17 20:38:54
You contradict yourself Koneg, you said we should not assume that alien life knows/develops the same as human, but then you assume that an alien species becomes dominant by the same progressions as humankind.

 

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Eager_Igraine  4 stars
Posts: 1,036
Registered: 2002-11-21 11:55:52
I don't really get the idea behind 'we can take interstellar aliens' thing. I guess it depends on what their goals would be. It seems to me that if aliens wanted to conquer the Earth, all they would have to do is hang out around the asteroid belt, lob a couple of small rocks at our populated areas to get our attention and tell us they are now in charge.


What kind of military reach to do we have capable of dealing with anything further away than the moon?

 

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Moe_Nox  4 stars
Title: In Moe We Trust
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Registered: 2007-2-4 12:17:56
The one thing abundantly clear is that any advance race we encounter will be based on fact and deeds far more than the metric ass ton of assumptions that we are prone to.

 

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Coriolus  3 stars
Title: Outpost Ice Mexican
Posts: 905
Registered: 2002-5-17 06:20:48
Rhint posted:

You contradict yourself Koneg, you said we should not assume that alien life knows/develops the same as human, but then you assume that an alien species becomes dominant by the same progressions as humankind.



I believe the progression that humans are going through and it's various stages is a relative constant for most intelligent life. There could be variations in these stages but an evolving race will go through similar 'growing pains' if you will.

 

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cabbyman  2 stars
Posts: 441
Registered: 2003-1-6 07:48:53
The best part of Cowboys and Aliens was Harrison Ford's character. It was neat to see him play a bad guy.

He was convincing!

 

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Koneg  3 stars
Title: Evil Genius
Posts: 894
Registered: 2001-12-4 15:31:28
Coriolus posted:

They would understand the futility in harming life

** boggle **


Futility? Seriously? You believe "violence never solves anything"???


Gawd you're even more naive than I thought.


Coriolus posted:

It is highly unlikely that a race bent on destruction and hate would survive very long simply because early on in their planet's evolution that hate would be directed toward their fellow beings

You attach an emotion to it - hate. You presume quite a bit in your little dream world. You don't need to hate to be destructive.


How much do you think the construction crew hated that ant hill they poured the foundation of your home over?


Rhint posted:

You contradict yourself Koneg, you said we should not assume that alien life knows/develops the same as human, but then you assume that an alien species becomes dominant by the same progressions as humankind.

Contradiction? Uhm, OK. I find it literally impossible to believe that a species can rise to dominance without being... dominant?


I dunno. Seems kinda logical when you stop and consider it.

 

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Coriolus  3 stars
Title: Outpost Ice Mexican
Posts: 905
Registered: 2002-5-17 06:20:48
Koneg, I don't expect you to understand, you are one of the least evolved people on this board. Your ability to rationalize away even the most obvious arguments places you near the top of the trolling dung mound or if you truly believe your positions I feel very sorry for you and the people who have to put up with your bullshit..

 

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Koneg  3 stars
Title: Evil Genius
Posts: 894
Registered: 2001-12-4 15:31:28
Coriolus posted:

Koneg, I don't expect you to understand, you are one of the least evolved people on this board.

This is why if you and I were two competing species, you would be extinct.


Your highly-evolved enlightened self would be crushed under the relentless onslaught of the "least evolved" species.


Coriolus posted:

Your ability to rationalize away even the most obvious arguments

You've made arguments? All I see is incredibly simplistic and wishful beliefs, with no logic what-so-ever.


Do I believe that all space-faring intelligent species will be the rampaging devourers of all they come across? Of course not. Do I believe we should assume the worst and hope for the best? Ab-so-freekin-lootly.


Si vis pacem, para bellum.

 

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