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Lower pay than the private sector (or a pay freeze) in exchange for a monthly pension check in the mail after 20 years for the rest of your life, is still a better trade off.
What government-guaranteed lifetime pension benefits after 20 years, does the private sector offer?
Posting on the Outpost while working on the taxpayer's dime towards pension benefits after 20 years isn't that bad of a gig, nor should give one reason to complain about a wage freeze if working in the public sector.
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ZigmundZag  Title: Grammar Nazi
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Registered: 2002-3-25 23:03:00
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
What the government should really be focusing on is reworking pensions and health. The government is exposed to a lot of risk between the dependence on capital markets for revenue and the fact that their pension funds and retiree health funds are exposed to risk.
Not to mention all of the services the government provides that increase during a recession. Budgeting based on one year's revenue makes no sense, especially when the government entity's revenue is dependent on the income tax.
Most states are, I think. I know Washington state is trying to create unified health insurance plans for all employees to increase the pool size rather than letting each autonomous work group create their own pools. And states would have to be suicidal not to be looking at the long-term impacts of both health care and pension costs on their budgets when nearly all of them are strapped for cash. No idea what the feds are doing in regards to pension and health care reform for their employees, though.
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Eradiani  Title: Moderator/ EvEVault Staff
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Eradiani posted:
I'm against it only because on average public sector already makes way more than private sector employees
This is stupid and not particularly true.
Some kinds of public employees make way more than equivalent jobs in the private sector. Generally unskilled or low skilled labor.
Other kinds of public employees make way less than the private sector equivalents. Professionals, for example.
The only jobs the private sector tend to make more then the public sector are ones that are highly specialized and extreme long training to obtain. We are talking doctors, surgeons, lawyers, etc, etc.
The benefits of low education jobs are well above private sector and I can link you tons of articles that match this statement
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theredkay1 Posts: 611
Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
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Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
theredkay1 posted:
Public sector employees purchase all their goods at private sector businesses. They buy private sector homes. They buy private sector cars and eat at private sector restaurants...
USING MONEY RE-DISTRIBUTED FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR'S FUNDS, INEFFICIENTLY ADMINISTERED AND DECIMATED BY ALL KINDS OF TRANSFER COSTS AND REGULATORY COMPLIANCE TACKED ON.
Talk about 'dumb'...
Those are factors to consider. It doesnt change anything I said though. Keep thinking things through. But try thinking about actual FACTS or DATA instead of always relying on CAPITALIZED DESCRIPTORS LIKE...RE-DISTRIBUTED....INEFFICIENTLY....DECIMATED....
How exactly is money decimated? That doesnt make sense. But you did capitalize it so I guess its right and we should fire some teachers to stop the DECIMATION.
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ZigmundZag Title: Grammar Nazi
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Eradiani posted:
The only jobs the private sector tend to make more then the public sector are ones that are highly specialized and extreme long training to obtain. We are talking doctors, surgeons, lawyers, etc, etc.
The benefits of low education jobs are well above private sector and I can link you tons of articles that match this statement
So in other words, professionals tend to make more in the private sector, while low skilled and unskilled laborers make more in the public sector...
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Abaddon_Ambrosius Title: Retired Theurgist TL
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theredkay1 posted:
duh?
No thanks. It's cute you think what you said actually merits any discussion beyond what I said, however.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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ZigmundZag posted:
Most states are, I think. I know Washington state is trying to create unified health insurance plans for all employees to increase the pool size rather than letting each autonomous work group create their own pools. And states would have to be suicidal not to be looking at the long-term impacts of both health care and pension costs on their budgets when nearly all of them are strapped for cash. No idea what the feds are doing in regards to pension and health care reform for their employees, though.
I don't know what the Feds are doing either but I know in CT they are making a lot of needed changes.
A lot of the problems are from people that are already retired and their benefits can't be touched. These pensions are the ones that ended up giving retirees a huge percentage of their final pay rate and cadillac insurance plans. Of course the state didn't actually save the money to pay for it so current tax payers are paying the bill.
This kind of budgeting is just irresponsible and neither party is innocent. The private sector made similar mistakes as well but they have been quicker to make reforms as well. What a politician says about this kind of thing is a good sniff test to see if they are full of crap or not.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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ZigmundZag posted:
Eradiani posted:
The only jobs the private sector tend to make more then the public sector are ones that are highly specialized and extreme long training to obtain. We are talking doctors, surgeons, lawyers, etc, etc.
The benefits of low education jobs are well above private sector and I can link you tons of articles that match this statement
So in other words, professionals tend to make more in the private sector, while low skilled and unskilled laborers make more in the public sector...
Disagreeing with someone and then saying the exact same thing is a tried and true Outpost strategy.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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Eradiani posted:
The only jobs the private sector tend to make more then the public sector are ones that are highly specialized and extreme long training to obtain. We are talking doctors, surgeons, lawyers, etc, etc.
The benefits of low education jobs are well above private sector and I can link you tons of articles that match this statement
There are a lot of people in government that are doctors or lawyers or business professionals. The government also has a lot of high risk professions. Police, military, etc. They also have to use a lot of overtime.
Government workers also tend to have more experience because they are less likely to career hop due to the historical stability.
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theredkay1 Posts: 611
Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
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Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
theredkay1 posted:
Those are factors to consider. It doesnt change anything I said though. Keep thinking things through.
No thanks.
 keep up the good work
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