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_Gronk_  1 star
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamas-budget-calls-for-pay-raises-federal-workforce-size-would-remain-flat/2012/02/13/gIQAyEiDDR_story.html


Washington Post posted:

President Obama wants to give raises to people collecting federal paychecks, but in his new budget proposal, troops would get a larger pay boost than civilian employees.



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1) I'm glad the military is getting a pay raise, they actually EARN their pay. Although, it's really a wash, as the military is also heavily downsizing in the Army and Marines . Less people = more money to give to the remaining soldiers. So now they will have to work harder with less people.

Stand strong troops!



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But back to the Civilian side:


Washington Post posted:

The White House budget plan released Monday would increase federal civilian pay by a modest 0.5 percent, a bump that would end a two-year cost-of-living pay freeze.

“A permanent pay freeze is neither sustainable nor desirable,” Obama’s proposal said.

A federal employee earning $50,000 annually would have to pay an additional $600 each year into his or her retirement account, without any change in benefits, Dougan said. “In the wake of a two-year pay freeze, which effectively cut workers’ pay by thousands after inflation, another $600 bill to pay would be difficult to bear.”



It's hard to have much sympathy for a government bureaucracy that cannot manage a proper budget, after all it is government workers that comes up with the budget - crunching budget numbers and what-not (when not using time at the taxpayers' expense, to post on Outpost... ) - WHEN the majority of society (the private sector) is already suffering through the recession with wage depreciation, wage freezes, and unemployment.




Whatever happened to less pay for guaranteed retirement benefits after 20 years?



Not being said is that more money for Federal Employees is more money for the Federal Employee unions, who give their money to one political party...

But go ahead and cough up more money for The Machine.

When in doubt, vote for the guy already in power.

It could save your life!

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ZigmundZag  4 stars
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/Wharbargl posted:

They shouldn't get a pay raise because I'm not getting a pay raise!

Jealousy is a terribly way to make fiscal policy. Or at least that's what we're told whenever the conversation centers around taxes.

 

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_Gronk_  1 star
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It's not that I'm against pay raises. It's just hard to have much sympathy for the public sector when the private sector is still hurting.

Especially when it is the private sector that pays for the public sector's mistakes anyway.


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We got a pay raise anyway, it was in the contract from years before.

I'll get the drumset for the 5 year old, and a new laptop (or turntables) this year.

Decisions decision.

theredkay1  3 stars
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Public sector employees purchase all their goods at private sector businesses. They buy private sector homes. They buy private sector cars and eat at private sector restaurants.


Which private sector businessmen think the key to their success is poorer customers? Bankruptcy attorneys maybe?


Reducing a group of customers income is not the private sector stimulus you think it is. Its hard to figure out how you get from A to B on this one. Looks like you have a desire to punish a certain group of people and you are willing to damage the private sector economy to do so. Dumbz
Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Do you blame the workers of the company when a company goes under due to bad management?


Oh wait, you're muffin_king. So you probably do and that explains why your argument is so stupid.
ZigmundZag  4 stars
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If they were getting a 2%+ increase I could understand some degree of /outrage, but when you're talking about half a percentage point in 3 years (which still leaves them taking home less than it did 3 years ago), I'm not exactly moved by the case for freezing their wages.

By the way, how many civil servants can actually retire after 20 years? The only ones I ever knew to do anything like that were the ex-military who wouldn't start a GS job until they were in their 40's, and the bulk of their benefits were still coming from the military.

 

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Abaddon_Ambrosius  4 stars
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theredkay1 posted:

Public sector employees purchase all their goods at private sector businesses. They buy private sector homes. They buy private sector cars and eat at private sector restaurants...



USING MONEY RE-DISTRIBUTED FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR'S FUNDS, INEFFICIENTLY ADMINISTERED AND DECIMATED BY ALL KINDS OF TRANSFER COSTS AND REGULATORY COMPLIANCE TACKED ON.

Talk about 'dumb'...

 

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Sin_of_Onin  4 stars
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The person who started the thread is an idiot but I am all for looking at how public employees are compensated and how their pay grows year to year. Also the nature of pension plans and retiree health plans are major issues. It would also be good to talk about how government budgets are made. Bureaucrats can certainly do better but for the most part the problems are inherent in the system and the nature of government more so than the fault of individuals.


One thing that could really help is providing more information to the general public about the nature of the government budget. It is such a massive thing that it is very hard to know what to do to fix the problem so people resort to faith based ideology on both sides.


A major goal of government should be to do a lot better job at informing decision makers which means informing the public. I expect third parties(lobbying groups) will end up doing it.

 

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_Gronk_  1 star
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There was a time when the public sector traded lower pay (compared to the private sector) for a lifelong pension (retirement benefits) after 20 years.


Whether or not it paid for all their living expenses is not the point, its the fact they get the pension after 20 years.

one can work at 20 and live till their 80 and get 40+ years of taxpayer funded pension, and even more so as they age...


The Public Sector now wants/has higher than private sector wages with pension/retirement benefits after 20 years, AND now they want a raise during a recession...

...All at the expense of the Private Sector which has been struggling through the recession while experiencing wage reduction, pay freezes, less jobs, and unemployment.




Again, the ripoff is not the pensions, its the demand for a public sector wage increase while the private sector is struggling.




If one wants to use the excuse that the public sector now earns more than the private sector because the public sector is smarter, then one basically is saying those who worked in the public sector in the past were just dumb taking lower pay.



Tych2  4 stars
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When I sell the tax business after this year it's my goal to get a government job. I am going to pull in a favor or two.

 

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