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eodoll  Posts: 1,028
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Mayb if you really dumb it down to childrens sunday school you can say jesus = god.
The christian thinking is clear that jesus was a human being with a divine spirit.
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Bobvillas  Posts: 643
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This is fun.
http://www.askamormon.com/Why-do-Mormons-consider-themselves-Christian.html
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eodoll posted:
Mayb if you really dumb it down to the Council of Nicea you can say Jesus = God...
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
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Most of the verses don't say what you think the say Eithne. Most of them are talking about how you should only believe in God because he's the true god, the wise god, whatever. It doesn't really say that other gods don't exist, just that God doesn't want you to believe in them because they're inferior and salvation lies through belief in him and not in them. 
In terms of the old testament, it seems like the names of the other gods got scrubbed out at some point. Although there are still refences to them here and there left over. Early judaism probably acknowledged other gods as well - hence the have no other gods before me language - even if they were inferior to Yahweh and at some point Yahweh got jealous and took over completely.
What the morons (haha, oops, freudian slip) believe about the existance of other gods doens't seem any more radical than christians who think non-christians might not all go to hell. Are those people not christians either for believing maybe god doesn't cause everyone who doesn't believe in him to burn in hell forever? |
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Most of the verses don't say what you think the say Eithne. Most of them are talking about how you should only believe in God because he's the true god, the wise god, whatever. It doesn't really say that other gods don't exist, just that God doesn't want you to believe in them because they're inferior and salvation lies through belief in him and not in them.
In terms of the old testament, it seems like the names of the other gods got scrubbed out at some point. Although there are still refences to them here and there left over. Early judaism probably acknowledged other gods as well - hence the have no other gods before me language - even if they were inferior to Yahweh and at some point Yahweh got jealous and took over completely.
What the morons (haha, oops, freudian slip) believe about the existence of other gods doens't seem any more radical than christians who think non-christians might not all go to hell. Are those people not christians either for believing maybe god doesn't cause everyone who doesn't believe in him to burn in hell forever?
You are reading into those verses stuff that isn't there, unfortunately Yuki. It never said that there were other gods that just shouldn't be followed because the Israelites weren't supposed to. Part of the 10 commandments was about not worshiping false gods, idols, and that's what the other "gods" such as Baal were regarded as - idols, things that were not deserving of worship and not even remotely on par with YHWH. It amounts to them revering the creation rather than the Creator and is idolatrous.
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Yeah before Judaism people just used to worship statues, because they weren't able to grasp the metaphorical concept of a god being worshipped through holy symbol. Jews invented the skybeing immaterial God. If only primitive peoples had a DnD manual to explain the concept of holy symbols!
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
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Eithne_Boadicea posted:
and that's what the other "gods" such as Baal were regarded as - idols, things that were not deserving of worship and not even remotely on par with YHWH.
So basically we're on the same page that the bible seems to contemplate the existance of other supernatural beings worshipped by humans. You seem to be setting a lot of store over one group of christians calling them gods that shouldn't be worshipped and another group of christians calling them false gods that shouldn't be worshipped. 
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Eithne_Boadicea posted:
and that's what the other "gods" such as Baal were regarded as - idols, things that were not deserving of worship and not even remotely on par with YHWH.
So basically we're on the same page that the bible seems to contemplate the existance of other supernatural beings worshipped by humans. You seem to be setting a lot of store over one group of christians calling them gods that shouldn't be worshipped and another group of christians calling them false gods that shouldn't be worshipped.
No, the Bible is not affirming the existence of other gods, and I didn't say it did. I said that the Bible talks about people who worship things (idols) thinking that those things are gods, but that YHWH, the God of the Israelites, is the one who is said to be the Creator of everything and that there are none like Him; the people who worshiped idols were not worshiping alternate deities, they were worshiping things that they perceived to be deities but were not. Does that clear it up at all?
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
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Not really. The other gods the mormons talk about are clearly inferior to yahweh too. So I think you are still reaching pretty far for a distinction that really doesn't matter.
Your "christians": some people worship other gods but they arn't anything near as good as Yahweh and you have to believe in Yahweh to be saved.
Mormons: There are other gods out there but they arn't as important as Yahweh and you have to worship Yahweh to be saved.
Eithne: OMG SO DIFFERENT!
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Remnant_OBrien posted:
Yeah before Judaism people just used to worship statues, because they weren't able to grasp the metaphorical concept of a god being worshipped through holy symbol. Jews invented the skybeing immaterial God. If only primitive peoples had a DnD manual to explain the concept of holy symbols!
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