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Bobvillas posted:
This is the problem.
They cannot understand that posting links to people that have opinions as if they are fact is not an argument. We call that anecdotal evidence.
It is a broken argument from the beginning.
People from your own demonination that are "leaders" are saying they are Christians.
But I am sure you will disparage him as well as he must be a heretic. 
What kind of church does Osteen run, baptist? I don't even know. All I know is that he is not respected by Biblical scholars because he is so busy with his "prosperity gospel" stuff as opposed to preaching from the Bible.
If somebody who was from my church told me that Mormons were Christian we would probably have a lot to talk about.
And that so-called anecdotal evidence is gleaned from reading the verses in context and understanding the environment and time in which they were written. Taking one verse from the Bible, misinterpreting it, and making a doctrine from it is what is broken.
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Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
Eithne_Boadicea posted:
So I take it you don't understand the context of that scripture at all, and neither do the Mormons or else they wouldn't have made an entire doctrine erroneously out of one misunderstood verse.
Interesting that 'your' interpretation is 'right' and theirs is 'erroneous.'
Still... I notice NONE of this drivel the last 10 replies or so counters my statement. Because, well, it really can't be countered.
They believe in Jesus Christ as their savior. The end.
It is easily countered. Belief alone is not a sufficient qualification, because the Greek word for believe is more than just mental assent. Belief is an action word that includes the notion of obedience. So I would bet that that most Christians are not Christians or disciples of Christ, and their Belief iin Jesus Christ is metely cultural, traditional, or mental belief.
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Abaddon_Ambrosius  Title: Retired Theurgist TL
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Snarf_Igraine posted:
It is easily countered. Belief alone is not a sufficient qualification, because the Greek word for believe is more than just mental assent. Belief is an action word that includes the notion of obedience. So I would bet that that most Christians are not Christians or disciples of Christ, and their Belief in Jesus Christ is metely cultural, traditional, or mental belief.
I'm not disputing that latter part.
But that's not the same as saying one sect is IDEOLOGICALLY not Christian, and another is. Many (most) Mormons clearly believe they are actively serving, honoring and even evangelizing Jesus Christ. And, that his atonement is what allowed salvation for mankind.
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Bobvillas  Posts: 643
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Eithne_Boadicea posted:
Bobvillas posted:
Joel Scott Osteen is an American author, televangelist, and the senior pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. His ministry reaches over seven million broadcast media viewers weekly in over 100 nations around the world.
Joel stated:
“I believe that [Mormons] are Christians,â€
I don't know how your church works but I am guessing he is somehow above your paygrade.
You do know that Joel Osteen is about the worst example you could have picked to argue from authority, right?  He is more a motivational speaker than a minister, let alone a Biblical scholar.
So now the millions that go to his church and view his broadcast are really just listening to a motivational speaker.
You however, are the self appointed Christian Membership Card passer outer.
You know that according to the Atlas of Global Christianity Mormons are Christians.
I wonder if there are any biblical scholars that helped with that.
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__Bonk__  Posts: 5,122
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He is an motivational speaker but I like his motivation. He is no Christian scholar
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eodoll Posts: 1,028
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This stuff is pretty interesting , it started with a guy named nestor and a movement called nestorianism. The question was is jesus 100% divine or part human and part god.
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Bobvillas posted:
Eithne_Boadicea posted:
Bobvillas posted:
Joel Scott Osteen is an American author, televangelist, and the senior pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. His ministry reaches over seven million broadcast media viewers weekly in over 100 nations around the world.
Joel stated:
“I believe that [Mormons] are Christians,â€
I don't know how your church works but I am guessing he is somehow above your paygrade.
You do know that Joel Osteen is about the worst example you could have picked to argue from authority, right? He is more a motivational speaker than a minister, let alone a Biblical scholar.
So now the millions that go to his church and view his broadcast are really just listening to a motivational speaker.
You however, are the self appointed Christian Membership Card passer outer.
You know that according to the Atlas of Global Christianity Mormons are Christians.
I wonder if there are any biblical scholars that helped with that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Osteen posted:
Education
It has been widely reported that Osteen attended Oral Roberts University in Tulsa, Oklahoma, for a two year period without receiving a degree.[citation needed] Likewise, it has been reported that he has no higher level training in religious matters or Bible studies.[citation needed] In an appearance on Piers Morgan Tonight in January, 2011, Osteen mentioned that he had never attended seminary.[17]
Preaching style
On the December 23, 2007, edition of Fox News Sunday, host Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday brought up Osteen's lack of Scripture reference in his sermons, as well as his hesitancy to discuss sin as an integral part of life. Osteen responded: "And I am ultimately trying to do that, but I'm trying to teach people how to live their everyday lives, and so I do focus on it, probably not as much as some people would like."[18] Osteen says that he chooses to focus on the goodness of God rather than sin.[19] Osteen explains that he tries to teach Biblical principles in a simple way, emphasizing the power of love and a positive attitude.[20]
Osteen's sermons and writings are sometimes reproached for their use of the concepts of prosperity theology, or the prosperity gospel, a belief that wealth and power are rewards for pious Christians.[21]
So he has no education or training and preaches something easily palatable to the masses? Sounds like an expert to me!
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Of course mormons aren't christians. None of the protestants are...
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Whether Mormons are Christian or not is subjective. I'd say they are because they believe in Christ the savior, but there's no doubt they're a little "different" with the Book of Mormon and other teachings... not just with the practices. Whereas Lutherans broke away from Catholicism, they didn't completely change the Holy Book, just the way the religion was practiced by men and the church. Mormons went ahead and added a whole new book about Jesus' travels. That doesn't mean they don't believe in Christ, but it depends how strict you want to be with the definition and what you want to include. Jehova's Witnesses are another group that it depends who you ask.
Not once was there mention that Jesus = God.
You must not have been paying attention in class because that's kinda the whole point about the Holy Trinity. Jesus was the son of God AND God. It's Catholicism 101.... el misterio.
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Eithne_Boadicea posted:
So he has no education or training and preaches something easily palatable to the masses? Sounds like an expert to me!
Survey polled 1,000 American Protestant pastors and asked them to respond to the statement: "I personally consider Mormons (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) to be Christians."
Just short of 20% said they are. Uh oh.
You know that according to the Atlas of Global Christianity Mormons are Christians.
I wonder if there are any biblical scholars that helped with that.
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