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reesescups  Title: //Captain America
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Registered: 2003-5-26 14:45:53
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Modeeb posted:
Some of the most intelligent people I have met are Iranian. I tend to believe what Ptilk says in this instance. I might go a step further: The Secular will eventually hang the Ayoltollahs or at least put them in their place, which is in a friggin mosque. There is more here than meets the eye. I never understood why Pakistan can have a bomb and Iran cant.
Then Iran can get back to where it was in 53 before we busted a cap in their President.
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reesescups Title: //Captain America
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
The US has been hoping for a long time that Iran will revolt but I think the US is better off just stealing their smart people.
We assassinated their leader in 53 for messing up the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company's negotiation by nationalizing their oil industry, we put in a puppet completed the negotiations, rapped their resources, they revolted in 79...
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Date Posted:
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Tough words from Iran. We'll close the Strait if you keep messing with us! No wait, we'll stop selling oil to you guys if you keep messing with us! No wait, some of you can still buy it from us if you sign long term oil contracts with us!
This is just an attempt to preempt sanctions by getting a few neutral countries to cast opposing votes since they might have oil contracts to think about.
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Rosaria  Title: They call me Mellow Yellow, quite rightly.
Posts: 477
Registered: 2003-8-22 10:07:30
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Bowlartz posted:
Rosaria posted:
Bowlartz posted:
I just did the math. Iran's move is essentially meaningless. That is why Oil had zero reaction to it unlike when Israel bombs them. Oil will shoot up 100 bucks a barrel inside of 10 minutes once that happens.
Oil futures will not perform that way just as they did not during the seige, sorry I meant liberation, of Libya. There are built in mechanisms and rules in place that would stopgap any horrific change in oil prices in one day or one trading session. Oil prices will continue to gently spiral upwards over the next several months but there will be no 14$USD/gallon overnight nor over a week for that matter.
Oil prices due to Libya rose 20 dollars a barrel at the time. The only reason it didn't have more of an effect was due to when it happened, between the home heating oil and spring heavy driving seasons of the US which is late Feb-Mar. I have no idea where you get the idea that situation had no effect it most certainly did.
Contrary to that situation, Iran's announcement has had zero, none, nada, zip effect.
Those prices did not change overnight nor did they constitute the kind of mega-price difference at the pump you seem to be suggesting. You need to look at this as China, Russia, and Iran as attempting to break the back of the petrodollar. At the moment this has nothing to do with how much you, or the EU for that matter, are going to pay at the pump. We won't win this gambit because people will insist OMFG this is going to mean a 100$USD increase in ten minutes!!! OMFG and we all know when America panics due to its citizens doing a pee pee dance and flapping its arms it fucks up, just as it will now.
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Rosaria Title: They call me Mellow Yellow, quite rightly.
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Registered: 2003-8-22 10:07:30
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Ptilk posted:
The US, along with and in support of Israel, is the god damn idiot in this situation.
Our embargo is a fricken sham, all it does is allow the State Dept. to hand out special privileges to connected people and companies to do business with Iran, and make it look like we are "being tough" on them. On our side anyway, on the Iranian side it has led to much higher prices, shortages of basic goods, and repression of the people, and their movement to create a real democracy.
It's such total BS. The constant saber rattling by the military and the neo-cons AND the Democrats who see a profit in it for themselves, either financially or in the voting booth, is ridiculous. Absolute and total nonsense. Iran poses no threat to the US, at all, none. Ok, maybe about as much as Switzerland does, or maybe Botswana.
Iran is ripe for secular minded democracy, it would already be there (it already WAS there) if not for the US and it's stupid war mongering BS. Our government seems to want to prop up the insane Mullahs and radical theocrats who currently rule the country.
Why? Lots of reasons. They see doing so as "Pro-Israel" and that plays well in the voting booth and in campaign donations. It allows them to dole out those special privileges to conduct trade and all the campaign money that brings in. It gives them a reason to continue spending obscene amounts of money on the military and all the campaign money that brings in from defense contractors and associated industries. It makes some of those old men feel young, tough and viral again (Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran). It keeps Americans afraid of shit, and afraid people will allow you to do anything to "save them". And finally, it's been a plan to subjugate the country for so long inside of DC, that the career GS corps is full of people who can't imagine doing anything else.
Iran will be fine, if we just leave them the hell alone, stop the embargo crap, and just let the people of Iran fix their own god damn problems.
Not really, no. This is a currency war, and in case you haven't noticed, it has been raging for the last six months.
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Totally true, Ros, and it wants to convert Italy, Greece, Spain and Portugal to if not it's side, then at least make them less enemies. Economic dilemmas might work well in its favor. Let's see how the US reacts to counter this.
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Rosaria Title: They call me Mellow Yellow, quite rightly.
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The US has already reacted with increased sanctions. It has a lot of fear to play with. In the EU it is very possible that you will end up seeing a demand for oil going down and prices increasing. If there is an overall suppression in the markets the price of oil in all its manifestations will go up further. I really don't know how much wiggle room there would be for an invasion or war with Iran without calculating in further manipulation of the petrodollar.
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Bonzoboy1  Posts: 885
Registered: 2008-8-1 18:04:29
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1/1/00 12:01am
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The Israel and the U.S. will do the bombing and the E.U will colonize, again.
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NuEM Posts: 1,007
Registered: 2004-3-2 09:08:11
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The people of Iran are not our enemy. I hope we don't have another stupid war. That being said if I had to pick a target it would be Saudi Arabia. 
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dae_trist Posts: 1,049
Registered: 2003-6-5 13:32:39
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reesescups posted:
Sin_of_Onin posted:
The US has been hoping for a long time that Iran will revolt but I think the US is better off just stealing their smart people.
We assassinated their leader in 53 for messing up the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company's negotiation by nationalizing their oil industry, we put in a puppet completed the negotiations, rapped their resources, they revolted in 79...
Tried. America tried to kill Mossadegh, and failed - fortunately.
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