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Yukishiro1  Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Cawlin posted:
I am advocating for her to get housing assistance. I don't know why you think I'm denigrating this "entitlement".
You seem to still be misunderstanding. I am not using entitlement as a denigration. I am simply pointing out that it is not an entitlement. Less than 25% of qualifying people actually get section 8. You can be eligible and not get it. If you are eligible they put you on a list and call you back years later when a spot opens up.
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Afio  Title: Belle of the Bull
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Registered: 2002-3-19 16:18:03
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This is something her daughter posted in the comments section:
She is looking for an inexpensive place to live a little closer to work to help save on gas money. If anyone knows of anything under $500 a month in the colonial park area would be beneficial to her. If you'd like to donate food wise, I guess you could drop them off at either her house or mine. (email for address) People should know that she has contacted every possible organization in our area for help. All telling her she makes to much a year. But she doesn't make enough to live on. For example to get help with oil, they told her she makes $288 too much. One organization I think she was $12 over who they are allowed to help.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Cawlin posted:
Would you turn the same accountant's eye to generational non-working welfare recipients about how they spend their money?
Sure. Especially if the claim is they arn't getting enough money to live on.
Although the thing to remember about them is there are children involved. No one gets welfare any more for just sitting around doing nothing unless they have kids.
Things get a lot more complicated when there are kids involved.
Actually, things get a lot simpler when there are kids involved. You qualify for all manner of assistance. You get a case worker who makes sure you are getting all the aid you're supposed to get.
If you're just old, and working part time, instead of sitting on your ass making more babies, you don't qualify for a third of the assistance, state employees don't help you figure out where/how to apply for assistance, and generally, everyone wants to forget about you and hope you die soon.
Yukishiro1 posted:
Cawlin posted:
I am advocating for her to get housing assistance. I don't know why you think I'm denigrating this "entitlement".
You seem to still be misunderstanding. I am not using entitlement as a denigration. I am simply pointing out that it is not an entitlement. Less than 25% of qualifying people actually get section 8. You can be eligible and not get it. If you are eligible they put you on a list and call you back years later when a spot opens up.
I understand that. My point was to advocate for some sort of housing assistance for her - I am not aware of what exists out there - my only familiarity with section 8 housing is through a friend who rents a property via section 8 because they feel like it's the best way to ensure that their rental property won't get effed up.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Cawlin posted:
Actually, things get a lot simpler when there are kids involved. You qualify for all manner of assistance. You get a case worker who makes sure you are getting all the aid you're supposed to get.
If you're just old, and working part time, instead of sitting on your ass making more babies, you don't qualify for a third of the assistance, state employees don't help you figure out where/how to apply for assistance, and generally, everyone wants to forget about you and hope you die soon.
Way to miss the point completely. Things are more complicated from the perspective of policy. You can't cut kids off because the parents are misbehaving because kids are kids.
In the final analysis you have much less leverage in the child welfare situation unless you're willing to let the kids suffer and typically we haven't been willing to let that happen.
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Szerek  Posts: 338
Registered: 2000-8-8 09:26:09
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Afio posted:
This is something her daughter posted in the comments section:
She is looking for an inexpensive place to live a little closer to work to help save on gas money. If anyone knows of anything under $500 a month in the colonial park area would be beneficial to her. If you'd like to donate food wise, I guess you could drop them off at either her house or mine. (email for address) People should know that she has contacted every possible organization in our area for help. All telling her she makes to much a year. But she doesn't make enough to live on. For example to get help with oil, they told her she makes $288 too much. One organization I think she was $12 over who they are allowed to help.
I grew up in the Greater Harrisburg Area. I live 5 miles as the crow flies from down town Harrisburg. I know the area. This woman will be hard pressed to find a $500 apartment in the Colonial Park area, or even an efficiency. The Colonial Park area of Harrisburg is a Middle to Upper Middle class area. The other surrounding areas are Union Deposit and Linglestown and they are basically the same as Colonial Park. She could move to the Walnut St area of Harrisburg which isn't far from Colonial Park but that is a not-so-nice part of the 'Burg.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Cawlin posted:
Actually, things get a lot simpler when there are kids involved. You qualify for all manner of assistance. You get a case worker who makes sure you are getting all the aid you're supposed to get.
If you're just old, and working part time, instead of sitting on your ass making more babies, you don't qualify for a third of the assistance, state employees don't help you figure out where/how to apply for assistance, and generally, everyone wants to forget about you and hope you die soon.
Way to miss the point completely. Things are more complicated from the perspective of policy. You can't cut kids off because the parents are misbehaving because kids are kids.
In the final analysis you have much less leverage in the child welfare situation unless you're willing to let the kids suffer and typically we haven't been willing to let that happen.
The point is that policy is fubar.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
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Szerek posted:
Afio posted:
This is something her daughter posted in the comments section:
She is looking for an inexpensive place to live a little closer to work to help save on gas money. If anyone knows of anything under $500 a month in the colonial park area would be beneficial to her. If you'd like to donate food wise, I guess you could drop them off at either her house or mine. (email for address) People should know that she has contacted every possible organization in our area for help. All telling her she makes to much a year. But she doesn't make enough to live on. For example to get help with oil, they told her she makes $288 too much. One organization I think she was $12 over who they are allowed to help.
I grew up in the Greater Harrisburg Area. I live 5 miles as the crow flies from down town Harrisburg. I know the area. This woman will be hard pressed to find a $500 apartment in the Colonial Park area, or even an efficiency. The Colonial Park area of Harrisburg is a Middle to Upper Middle class area. The other surrounding areas are Union Deposit and Linglestown and they are basically the same as Colonial Park. She could move to the Walnut St area of Harrisburg which isn't far from Colonial Park but that is a not-so-nice part of the 'Burg.
Oh no Szerek, those internet cost of living tables are totally accurate! Those are the numbers that employers base salaries on too in the region, if they were inaccurate, it would mean a whole host of issues were afoot... they can't possibly be inaccurate!
Anyway... I've spent a lot of time near Harrisburg myself, lived in Elizabethtown for a number of years, had a friend who lived directly IN Harrisburg for a few years... All things considered, I think that the area just east of Harrisburg (Lancaster county) is probably some of the nicest area to live in the entire state... but I digress.
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Sea_of_inK Posts: 488
Registered: 2004-10-18 12:57:37
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The saddest part of the story?
It's still probably in her best interest to vote Obama 
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Cawlin posted:
The point is that policy is fubar.
Ok. If you want to advocate changing the welfare laws so the kids starve if their parents are being irreponsible, go for it I guess. I doubt you will have much luck because we tend to have a soft spot for kids and think they shouldn't be punished for stuff their parents do.
You could also take the kids away if the parents can't afford to feed them without gubmint welfare but that hasn't worked out too well in the past either. It usually ends up costing just as much and creating a whole new set of problems too.
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Szerek Posts: 338
Registered: 2000-8-8 09:26:09
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Cawlin posted:
Oh no Szerek, those internet cost of living tables are totally accurate! Those are the numbers that employers base salaries on too in the region, if they were inaccurate, it would mean a whole host of issues were afoot... they can't possibly be inaccurate!
Anyway... I've spent a lot of time near Harrisburg myself, lived in Elizabethtown for a number of years, had a friend who lived directly IN Harrisburg for a few years... All things considered, I think that the area just east of Harrisburg (Lancaster county) is probably some of the nicest area to live in the entire state... but I digress.
I'm always looking at the IT jobs in there area. Here are some beauts.
http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?Job_DID=J8F3MY5XMQMJ377H64G&sc_cmp2=10_JobMat_JobDet&IPATH=JEHOMP&SiteID=cb_em ailrec&APath=1.8.0.0.0&je=myrec&HostID=US
"A 4 year technical degree with 3 years relevant experience is highly desirable, but equivalent experience will be considered"
Base Pay : $25,000 - $40,000 /Year
http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?Job_DID=J8C73K787NMQHPVJZBJ&sc_cmp2=10_JobMat_JobDet&IPATH=JEHOMP&SiteID=cb_em ailrec&APath=1.8.0.0.0&je=myrec&HostID=US
Company looking for an MCSD or MCAD offering Base Pay : $37,500 - $55,000 /Year
The economy here is booming with high paying tech jobs!
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