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Walker_ID  Posts: 673
Registered: 2002-5-29 10:20:09
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there are times when the federal gov't steps in and throws tons of money and effort behind a project for a cause that it deems worthy and those projects are to the great benefit of the nation as a whole...
2 notable examples are the space and nuclear programs....
if the govt is serious about energy independence/alternatives then it will need an effort on the scale of those programs to get it done and it would be one of the rare times when the govt did something useful
it will need to collect the brightest people across the world and stick them in a room somewhere while throwing money at them until they succeed....
unfortunately the only reasons the 2 above programs even happened was because we were racing with another country.....so in reality it will probably happen...but only when things get so dire that there is no other choice or we are doing it to beat a rival country
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paulg_68  Posts: 2,469
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eodoll posted:
Do republicans want to socialize the oil business?
If yes(and it seems like they do) then why are they against socializing healthcare?
Answer: selfish and retarded.
The oil industry lacks the necessary components for the free market to work properly.
Health care does not.
I'm not for socializing the oil industry... but then I'm not opposed to it either.
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Brother_Tempus Title: Patriot
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Registered: 2001-1-9 08:07:00
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Ashmaele posted:
As is common in these kinds of threads - statists getting utterly destroyed by logic, empirical evidence and history
fixed for accuracy
Historically the US had had 2 major energy crisises, wood and whale oil. Both time the free market not government has solved the problem
The fact is the DOE has had nearly 40 years to do what the free market was able to accomplish twice and has failed
Ash can now continue to spout more lies if he wishes but he will continue to be priven a liar every time becuase history and the facts do not support him
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theredkay1 Posts: 611
Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
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imaloon1 posted:
Yep the reactor ran for something like 25 THOUSAND hours at Lawrence Livermore I believe. They shut it down for no apparent reason and instead of going with the proven foolproof design they went instead with the massively over complicated Uranium light water reactors and we ended up with Fukushima, Chernobyl and Three Mile Island. Of which I barely count Three Mile Island but w/e...
I know it's old hat but the Chinese have recently invested a TON of money into Thorium tech.
Seems very conspiracy theorish to say that this program worked flawlessly 50 years ago...and in the 50 years since nobody on earth has picked up the project.
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imaloon1 Posts: 674
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Ashmaele posted:
imaloon1 posted:
On a side note there is a very real solution.
Thorium powered Molten Salt reactors that are small enough to be installed on about an acre of land and provide 10-50 MW of power generation...
That coupled with EV's and we could seriously dent our dependence on oil.
What about the hydrogen fuel cells we heard about a few years ago? Bush actually mentioned these as a solution but it never went anywhere and I don't hear anyone pimping that idea today at all.
No infrastructure for pumping really. Electricity at least has the grid and tying into it isn't nearly as hard as replacing gas pumps.
Further the hydrolysis idea that was supposed to basically make KRILLIONS of pounds of hydrogen from seawater hasn't panned out. It basically turns out to be about a 1.5 - 1.0 EROI which is worse than everything but Corn.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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imaloon1 posted:
Further the hydrolysis idea that was supposed to basically make KRILLIONS of pounds of hydrogen from seawater hasn't panned out. It basically turns out to be about a 1.5 - 1.0 EROI which is worse than everything but Corn.
Which is what we pay people billions to use. 
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DemonicXH Title: Camelot Vault Staff
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Yukishiro1 posted:
The only really way to do that is to get people to use oil more efficiently or to get them off oil.
How do you get them to do that?
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Brother_Tempus Title: Patriot
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DemonicXH posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
The only really way to do that is to get people to use oil more efficiently or to get them off oil.
How do you get them to do that?
force, coercion, theft, tyranny
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Tych2 Title: Obama Appointed Outpost Czar
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Brother_Tempus posted:
force, coercion, theft, tyranny
Works for me!
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imaloon1 Posts: 674
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Yukishiro1 posted:
imaloon1 posted:
Further the hydrolysis idea that was supposed to basically make KRILLIONS of pounds of hydrogen from seawater hasn't panned out. It basically turns out to be about a 1.5 - 1.0 EROI which is worse than everything but Corn.
Which is what we pay people billions to use.
Couldn't agree more. It's a travesty of the highest order what we do with Corn...
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