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SoBaKi  Posts: 487
Registered: 2002-2-26 09:31:13
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Tych2 posted:
SoBaKi posted:
Politicians cannot dictate it's use, you know this.
dictate the use of oil? What I would like the politicians to do is to stop being the world's police and use that money to research other forms of energy. That is something they can do 100%. They are the only ones that can do that.
I agree with you. However, if we give a wink and nod to the capitalists here, shouldn't industry also be doing that? I wonder how much R&D is spent by Exxon, considering the quarter after quarter after quarter of record profits they achieve.
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Yukishiro1  Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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DemonicXH posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
The only really way to do that is to get people to use oil more efficiently or to get them off oil.
How do you get them to do that?
Well, it'll happen naturally as the price of oil continues to go up. Probably the best thing the government can do is give loans to promising alternative energy startups. But then you get solyndra.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
The problem is the US has been built up in such a way that the cities are not well suited for public transportation. Not to mention the fact that the price differential between public transportation and taking your car is not big enough.
One area we should address IMO is the use of oil to heat homes. We should have a goal to switch over homes from oil to natural gas or electricity over the next couple decades. The conversion costs a lot so it would have to be subsidized. It is not a great option but it is easier than fixing transporation.
Should be a lot faster than that. It would have already been done mostly if we didn't pay subsidies to people to heat their homes with oil.
The energy secretary was totally right though that we should focus on getting people off oil and using it more efficiently rather than lowering the price of it. This is true whether or not you think there's any value to being "green." Lowering the price of oil isn't sustainable until we find a way to create new oil, and the price of oil is globally determined so anything we do is going to ultimately be insignificant as long as demand continues to increase in the developing world.
The US can't control the global price of oil but we can control how efficiently we use the oil we do buy and how much we rely on oil period.
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Brother_Tempus  Title: Patriot
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Registered: 2001-1-9 08:07:00
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theredkay1 posted:
Brother_Tempus posted:
Historically the US had had 2 major energy crisises, wood and whale oil. Both time the free market not government has solved the problem
Interestingly
you posted unrelated data
Real simple for the statists here who are historically challenged. From the early days of the US till about the 1810s, Americans relied on wood.Then from the Early 1810s till the onset of the Civil War, whale oil, which cost about 25 cents a gallon at first replaced wood until it went up to about $10 a gallon.
Kerosene (by product on the new petroleum industry) replaced whale oil
2 crises averted by the free market not by some government policy or mandate.... Just simple supply/demand
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Brother_Tempus Title: Patriot
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Yukishiro1 posted:
DemonicXH posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
The only really way to do that is to get people to use oil more efficiently or to get them off oil.
How do you get them to do that?
Well, it'll happen naturally as the price of oil continues to go up. Probably the best thing the government can do is give loans to promising alternative energy startups. But then you get solyndra.
Solyndra anyone?
government created busineses only last as long as government can steal for them
but as I answered.. Force, coercion, theft, tyranny
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
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Brother_Tempus posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
Well, it'll happen naturally as the price of oil continues to go up. Probably the best thing the government can do is give loans to promising alternative energy startups. But then you get solyndra.
Solyndra anyone?
government created busineses only last as long as government can steal for them
but as I answered.. Force, coercion, theft, tyranny
reading anyone?
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Tych2 Title: Obama Appointed Outpost Czar
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SoBaKi Posts: 487
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Brother_Tempus posted:
theredkay1 posted:
Brother_Tempus posted:
Historically the US had had 2 major energy crisises, wood and whale oil. Both time the free market not government has solved the problem
Interestingly
you posted unrelated data
Real simple for the statists here who are historically challenged. From the early days of the US till about the 1810s, Americans relied on wood.Then from the Early 1810s till the onset of the Civil War, whale oil, which cost about 25 cents a gallon at first replaced wood until it went up to about $10 a gallon.
Kerosene (by product on the new petroleum industry) replaced whale oil
2 crises averted by the free market not by some government policy or mandate.... Just simple supply/demand
/sigh
You do understand the difference in the economy of then and the economy of now, right? Guess what you could STILL do if you didn't want to use whale oil in 1810?
Burn wood.
Hell, you could do it now, but given the curren population of the world, we'd go through wood like we're GOING through oil.
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theredkay1 Posts: 611
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Brother_Tempus posted:
theredkay1 posted:
Brother_Tempus posted:
Historically the US had had 2 major energy crisises, wood and whale oil. Both time the free market not government has solved the problem
Interestingly (the government played a large role in the success of both whaling and early oil production)
you posted unrelated data
What the government did or didnt do with regard to the oil and whaling industry has nothing to do with this discussion.
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imaloon1 Posts: 674
Registered: 2003-9-15 07:19:53
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You really answered your own argument with BT Sweeny.
All he's saying is that as we used up one energy source we moved into another more efficient one and it was all based on supply and demand. If whales were as plentiful today as they were when we hunted them to near extinction it would have taken a lot longer for us to find the next step up.
The fact that oil has lasted a little over a century in depletion terms really shows us more about the imperative to find the next generation of energy creators that aren't based on oil because it's loss hasn't effectively been replaced yet, nor will it I envision until the pain of keeping it exceeds our ability to use it.
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