So is Fist one of "you guys" now too?

You should probably look at who is actually making an argument and what their point is before you treat it as a liberal / conservative issue.

 

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I'm thinking he's violated a few rules and will be disciplined.


He also seems like a douche. A Marine NCO is not where I would expect this level of public stupid to crop up, but it takes all kinds I guess.

 

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I agree with all of this.

That said...does he have an underlying point? Does his constitutionally guaranteed right to free speech extend this far? And should it? Good questions IMO whether or not this guy is an idiot.

 

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It gets better and better.

You idiots immediately took this as a lib/conservative issue and jumped on it like the guy was trying to raise his own counter-US army and jumped on me like I was defending him. I think you're wearing out the whole "NO U!" thing dude.

 

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I think it would be hilarious if his platoon sergeant shot up the guy's laptop with his pistol and then posted it on youtube.

 

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LOL but it would be even MORE unprofessional than the original misguided FB post.

 

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In his rank of NCO-active, it is unforgivable. His very rank is dependent on the Commander-in-Chief, and as a NCO, a tier of authority, he should know better.

At the very least his miltiary career, seems over. Chain of command wont put up with that, and as it should.

BTW there are always appropriate channels to speak one's displeasure, and not get in reasonable trouble.

Inspector General.

Speaking out publically about one's chain of command is bad form. Doesn't matter whio is president. This isn't a conscription army.

In the military you swear to uphold your oath.

In that oath there is a little section that goes, "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States".

This tard just said he wont do that.

He is in violation of his enlistment oath, thus he is subject to disciplinary action, up to and including discharge from the service.

In reality, it's very doubtful that this will happen. There are always idiots spouting off about stupid crap in the military, and most of the time, they are just told to shut it and everyone goes on.

This guys weaselly rewording of his statement to include "unlawful" doesn't change a thing. Even if you do decide you are not going to follow an order because it is "unlawful" in your opinion....you are still subject to the same disciplinary actions, even if it turns out the order was "unlawful".

You are always free to act upon your conscience in the military, but that doesn't mean you will escape paying a price for doing so. That's part of being in the service. They don't take your freedom at the door when you join, they just make the cost of that freedom a bit higher.

If you don't know how to filter who sees your Facebook posts by now, you probably shouldn't be leading men into battle anyway.

 

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The guy is a typical RWN and should be thrown out of the military since as an NCO he isn't going to be promoted ever again anyway.


"Stein was first cautioned by his superiors at Camp Pendleton, north of San Diego, in 2010 after he launched his Facebook page, criticizing Obama's health care overhaul. Stein volunteered to take down the page while he reviewed the rules at the request of his superiors.


He said he determined he was not in violation and relaunched the page under the shortened account name Armed Forces Tea Party. Last week, he said his superiors told him he couldn't use social media sites on government computers after he posted the message stating he would not follow unlawful orders of the president.

 

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