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Ashmaele  Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Marine in hot water for badmouthing his commander in chief on Facebook |
http://news.yahoo.com/marines-facebook-page-tests-military-rules-234113159.html
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SAN DIEGO (AP) — Marine Sgt. Gary Stein first started a Facebook page called Armed Forces Tea Party Patriots to encourage service members to exercise their free speech rights. Then he declared that he wouldn't follow orders from the commander in chief, President Barack Obama.
While Stein softened his statement to say he wouldn't follow "unlawful orders," military observers say he may have gone too far.
The Marine Corps is now looking into whether he violated the military's rules prohibiting political statements by those in uniform and broke its guidelines on what troops can and cannot say on social media. Stein said his views are constitutionally protected.
While troops have always expressed their views in private, Stein's case highlights the potential for their opinions to go global as tech-savvy service members post personal details, videos and pictures that can hurt the military's image at home and abroad.
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Stein said he respects the office of the president, but he does not agree with Obama's policies. He said he is within his rights to speak up.
"Just because I'm a Marine doesn't mean I don't have free speech or can't say my personal opinion about the president or other public official just like anybody else," Stein said. "The Constitution trumps everything else."
...except the part where the Constitution indicates that the President is your commander-in-chief?
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Tych2 Title: Obama Appointed Outpost Czar
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Registered: 2005-3-1 06:56:47
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 I guess I should have read it first!
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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Tych2 posted:
I really hope Obama isn't that thin skinned and nothing happens to this marine.
I don't think the reaction would have much to do with Obama but the military having an established reaction to such a thing.
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Obama can "handle" criticism.
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Tych2 Title: Obama Appointed Outpost Czar
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Marine in hot water for badmouthing his commander in chief on Facebook |
Yeah I edited my answer. I didn't read it at first. Lesson learned.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Kind of a catch22 based on poor word choice by this guy I think.
Armed services are beholden to the constitution and in light of an UNLAWFUL order, that trumps the C.I.C. as far as I know.
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Marine in hot water for badmouthing his commander in chief on Facebook |
Cawlin posted:
Kind of a catch22 based on poor word choice by this guy I think.
Armed services are beholden to the constitution and in light of an UNLAWFUL order, that trumps the C.I.C. as far as I know.
You and I both know this to be true, self evident and (frankly) absurdly obvious. So absurdly obvious, in fact, that there is really no point in someone even saying something like this. It's like you or me saying, "Look, murder is wrong, it's illegal and by god I HEREBY VOW NEVER TO MURDER ANYONE! WHO'S WITH ME?"
And that isn't what the guy was saying initially. He only changed it to "unlawful order" after someone alerted him to the fact that he might get his ass court martialed if he didn't change it.
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Marine in hot water for badmouthing his commander in chief on Facebook |
This was a stupid thing to do. No matter how you feel about the President he is your boss. I hated Carter but never slammed him; even when others were. When people were told to vote with their feet, many did. It took a lot of time and money to recover from him but when serving you have to serve. It is your oath.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
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Marine in hot water for badmouthing his commander in chief on Facebook |
Ashmaele posted:
Cawlin posted:
Kind of a catch22 based on poor word choice by this guy I think.
Armed services are beholden to the constitution and in light of an UNLAWFUL order, that trumps the C.I.C. as far as I know.
You and I both know this to be true, self evident and (frankly) absurdly obvious. So absurdly obvious, in fact, that there is really no point in someone even saying something like this. It's like you or me saying, "Look, murder is wrong, it's illegal and by god I HEREBY VOW NEVER TO MURDER ANYONE! WHO'S WITH ME?"
And that isn't what the guy was saying initially. He only changed it to "unlawful order" after someone alerted him to the fact that he might get his ass court martialed if he didn't change it.
Sooo... your point is what then? Are you saying that you believe his intent was not to mean "unlawful orders" and simply "any orders"?
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ZigmundZag Title: Grammar Nazi
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Registered: 2002-3-25 23:03:00
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Marine in hot water for badmouthing his commander in chief on Facebook |
Of course he doesn't have to take an unlawful order from anyone in his chain of command. That's well-established military doctrine. But that's not what he said at first, either. Openly disrespecting the chain of command is not free speech - this is also well-established military doctrine.
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