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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
Eternal_Midnight posted:

Yukishiro1 posted:

If you only played for a few months you presumably never did any real max-level pvp. So your opinion is pretty much worthless.


Small-scale pvp in wow is incredibly intricate and skill-based. You need far better reflexes and anticipation to pvp in wow well than you do in daoc. The only area where daoc requires more skill is in spatial positioning but that plays a much smaller role in a 1v1 duel. 1v1 daoc mechanics are pathetically simplistic.



You can't compare WoW and DAoC PvP like that. Of course DAoC was somewhat simplistic in a 1v1 environment, because as most people forget, DAoC was designed for RvR, not 1v1. That's why people bitch about balance in DAoC, because the game wasn't ever intended to be balanced on a class by class basis. Classes that weren't intended to run around alone will of course be flawed in a 1v1 PvP situation. WoW, by contrast, has balanced their classes so that everyone is capable in just about every situation. This clearly lends itself to a smaller scale PvP, which is how the game is designed.


Realms were balanced, classes were not, except to ensure that similar skills between realms worked in the same way.


As far as hard interrupts for casters vs. soft, I'd tend to favour the WoW system. No class should be utterly incapable of using it's skill simply because someone is attacking them. Yes, there is a skill level required to be effective, but really that skill is necessary only because the system is flawed.


If the casting system was better, using more of a pushback system, most of the RA's put in place to compensate for they poor casting system wouldn't have been necessary.



I don't disagree. The poitn was taht they are designed for different things. What I find hillarious is all the fanboi daoc idiots on this board who won't admit obvious facts like daoc's system being simplistic and lame in 1v1s. It is funny to see the lengths idiots will go to defend their game against a game they admit they've never even played.
NuEM  4 stars
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Registered: 2004-3-2 09:08:11
If you don't see how 1v1 in DAoC is much deeper and more complex than in a kids game like WoW consider it proof positive of you being an utter dumbass. And I'm not even talking group or zerg fights here, which would be like comparing Tic-tac-toe with Go.

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Says another moron who never pvped in wow.
RHWarrior  3 stars
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We've all PVPed in WoW, that's when we realised how lacklustre and meh it was, tacked on as an afterthought.

In fact WoW was pretty fun for me until I started doing Arenas and realised, "this is the crown of wow pvp".

Rather f--k around in a pure PVE game, at least they don't pretend to be anything else!

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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I definitely liked Daoc's pvp vision better than wow's arenas. It's absolutely absurd to suggest that a 1v1 or 2v2 in daoc requires more skill, though. That just aint true.


A typical wow duel has probably three times as much going on as a typical daoc duel.
NuEM  4 stars
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Registered: 2004-3-2 09:08:11
Yukishiro1 posted:

Says another moron who never pvped in wow.



So you know how much I pvped in WoW?

I usually respect your opinion and I consider you one of the most intelligent Outposters, but you are out of your league here. The sooner you realize that the sooner you'll return to your usual wisdom.

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
Uh, didn't we establish in another thread that you never seriously played wow?


This isn't even something we need to debate. Take a look at some of noone's duel videos from that link. Even if you don't know anything about wow pvp you can see there's a ton more going on in one of those than you'll ever see in a daoc 1v1 snoozefest.


Daoc duels are all pretty much the same. Either it's two melees lamely beating on eachother waiting for a reactionary or a chance to abuse run-through or it's two casters lamely trying to range eachother or quickcast a CC and unload or it's a caster vs a melee where the whole thing is about whether the caster can keep the melee at range long enough to unload. There is not much dynamism to them and there is very little in the way of reaction times required.
NuEM  4 stars
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Curse your memory, there goes my troll.

 

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bstulic  3 stars
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Registered: 2002-7-26 04:55:00
Yukishiro1 posted:

Uh, didn't we establish in another thread that you never seriously played wow?

This isn't even something we need to debate. Take a look at some of noone's duel videos from that link. Even if you don't know anything about wow pvp you can see there's a ton more going on in one of those than you'll ever see in a daoc 1v1 snoozefest.

Daoc duels are all pretty much the same. Either it's two melees lamely beating on eachother waiting for a reactionary or a chance to abuse run-through or it's two casters lamely trying to range eachother or quickcast a CC and unload or it's a caster vs a melee where the whole thing is about whether the caster can keep the melee at range long enough to unload. There is not much dynamism to them and there is very little in the way of reaction times required.



Thats why I had so much fun in DAOC playing melee cleric...nothing more fun than to outmelee vamp, sb or ns
who saw "easy" prey

Didn't play WOW, but Rift duels are totally dumb for me, and WAR sucked in comparison too

I even got some @ VN posts about that

http://vnboards.ign.com/devon_cluster/b22958/97897356/r97914791/

 

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smellymotor  3 stars
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Registered: 2004-9-12 04:15:23
Wow was terriboring and the pvp was lamesauce. I had 100 brazillian times more fun in daoc, frontier or battleground it didn't matter.

Wow pve poos right in the mouth of daoc pve though

Edit: lol the amount of meltdowns I saw in /as about a certain overpowered cleric!

 

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