All that has to happen for the Palestinians to live in peace is to stop attacking Israel ,I'm not going to feel sorry for the aggressors just because they are weaker than the group attacking they are attacking.I've said it before the Palestinians are victims of their own government and the Iranian and Syrian governments ,Israel is just the cross they have chosen to nail themselves too.


If you open your window and shoot at your neighbor and he returns fire and kills one of your unarmed kids ,he is not a murder or even a bad person,he is just defending himself from a murder and a bad person.

 

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There are no good guys in this situation. There are evil bastards on both sides who don't want peace unless that peace comes in the exact form they wish. Neither side is more "moral" or more "right".

Blowing up buses with suicide bombers isn't any better, or worse, than firing missiles from gunships into crowded city centers. The aim of both actions is to intimidate and kill in order to get what you want. Neither action has any effect on the reaction to it, you can bomb city centers till hell freezes over and you are still going to get people willing to blow up buses, and vice versa.

What can be done is to insist on current international law being followed. That law represents our collective best effort at stopping such events from taking place.

What comes across to some as "Anti-Israel" is a generally a reaction to the fact that the US government heavily support, both financially and strategically, one side of this issue and ignores any times they violate that law.....while loudly condemning the Palestinian side when they violate that law. Pointing out the fact that it takes idiots and evil bastards on both sides to keep this decades long abomination of an occupation going isn't anti-anything...except anti-god damned stupidity and anti-wanting to see it go on for another 50 years.

What comes across as anti-Palestinian on the other hand, is generally bigotry and hatred of Muslims.

Of course there are some people who actually do hate Israel or are actually antisemitic , but it's far less than the number of people who speak out against the actions the Israeli government is currently taking.

eh, i actually don't wholly disagree on too many points with Ptilk on that one... although i will say that the side that *doesn't* encourage children to blow themselves up and reward their families for it has an edge on the "who is more moral" argument... at least according to my sense of morality.

 

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Hopefully the Middle East will burn this year.

If not this year then maybe next!

It'll make for good TV.

 

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Right, both sides are bad. Case in point. Supporting the " slight less" bad side is still supporting a bad side. lol

Why not pull all support from israel until they get their [mod] together and stop breaking 200+ un sanctions like it's no big deal. Hold both sides accountable for what they've done, not turn the cheek on one and come down hard on another.. my 2 cents.

 

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"We're slightly better than people who use children as bombs." isn't a very compelling moral argument in my books, but I guess I'm not the pillar of morality you are.

 

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well, again - look up the Egypt-Israel peace treaty for starters, but the relationship is a lot more complex than that.

what really needs to happen is the Palestinians to hold their own leaders accountable. Israel too, of course, but it's hard to look at what has happened in Gaza since Israel withdrew and Hamas took over and not see a stark difference in their respective political processes.

 

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/shrug, i don't consider that difference slight. but like i said... to each their own. if that works for you, more power to you, i guess.

 

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I don't see any "moral" difference in encouraging children to look forward piloting gunships that bomb city centers and encouraging children to carry bombs into city centers. Both sides "reward" the families of the ones who die while carrying out such missions. Both sides honor their memory and make monuments to their "sacrifice".

The suicide aspect of course is pretty horrifying... but they don't have gunships.

i'm very comfortable being firmly on the other side of that position. i see a VAST difference between children who are allowed to group up and make their own decisions, and those who aren't.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrows_Pioneers

 

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