Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Anyone watch MMA? It's a waste how many people put their kids in TKD.
GrilledCheez posted:
Precisely.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Anyone watch MMA? It's a waste how many people put their kids in TKD.
sweeny_comodore posted: M
and i think a skilled TKD fighter would probably own most MMA fighters in a real fight.
like ive mentioned before, kidney spears, spleen hits, throat attacks, hits to the back of the neck and head, nut shots....
those are all valuable techniques that an MMA fighter wouldnt know how to counter because he doesnt have to deal with them in a ring, with rules against those types of shots.
Unless you train submission defense and takedown defense, you are going down, and you are going to be submitted. This was proven time and time again in the early years of MMA where there were almost no rules at all.
And MMA guys are perfectly capable of liver kicks and the like. Just ask Brock Lesnar.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Anyone watch MMA? It's a waste how many people put their kids in TKD.
GrymmDAOC posted:
sweeny_comodore posted: M
and i think a skilled TKD fighter would probably own most MMA fighters in a real fight.
like ive mentioned before, kidney spears, spleen hits, throat attacks, hits to the back of the neck and head, nut shots....
those are all valuable techniques that an MMA fighter wouldnt know how to counter because he doesnt have to deal with them in a ring, with rules against those types of shots.
Unless you train submission defense and takedown defense, you are going down, and you are going to be submitted. This was proven time and time again in the early years of MMA where there were almost no rules at all.
And MMA guys are perfectly capable of liver kicks and the like. Just ask Brock Lesnar.
reading comprehension is your friend
also, if you go back and actually read yould see that i already agreed with you about sport fighting
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Anyone watch MMA? It's a waste how many people put their kids in TKD.
Szerek posted:
Cawlin posted: When everyone knows all the kicking/punching techniques, everyone ALSO knows the ways to get around them or through them and is conditioned to be able to do so without taking a catastrophic beating. When you put them in a ring with a cage around it so maneuvering is limited, it's not about endurance or movement, all about the grappling and submission holds.
Yes occasionally matches are decided by striking - but that's usually the scrub level stuff.
This is simply, well, wrong. Go back again and watch UFC 1. Back in 1993 BJJ was king because other styles didn't know how to fight it. MMA today is a mixture of styles where everyone trains a little bit of all styles. A good striker can easily beat a good grappler simply because he can stuff take downs.
These days, even the pure grapplers have to learn to strike or they will lose once they get to any decent competition. If you need an example of this, look at Damian Maia. Damiam Maia was a world champion grappler who destroyed everyone until he started facing top level strikers. People who were good enough at either BJJ or Wrestling to not be taken down. When you can't strike effectively and you face someone you can't get on the ground, you will lose.
BJJ vs any striking discipline, BJJ will always win because they learn to avoid punches and get take downs. I studied Isshinryu and though those years never once were we ever taught how to avoid a take down.
Anderson Silva is arguably one of the best MMA fighters ever. He hasn't lost a fight in 6 years. He fights mainly as a striker. He is also a BJJ black belt who can grapple with the best, but he prefers striking.
To finish, there are more knockouts than submissions in the UFC today, and there are more decisions than knockouts.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Anyone watch MMA? It's a waste how many people put their kids in TKD.
sweeny_comodore posted:
GrymmDAOC posted:
sweeny_comodore posted: M
and i think a skilled TKD fighter would probably own most MMA fighters in a real fight.
like ive mentioned before, kidney spears, spleen hits, throat attacks, hits to the back of the neck and head, nut shots....
those are all valuable techniques that an MMA fighter wouldnt know how to counter because he doesnt have to deal with them in a ring, with rules against those types of shots.
Unless you train submission defense and takedown defense, you are going down, and you are going to be submitted. This was proven time and time again in the early years of MMA where there were almost no rules at all.
And MMA guys are perfectly capable of liver kicks and the like. Just ask Brock Lesnar.
reading comprehension is your friend
also, if you go back and actually read yould see that i already agreed with you about sport fighting
I mean no disrespect, but..
It doesn't matter if it it is on the 'street' or not not. Assuming weapons aren't a factor, if you do not know how to defend a takedown, you are going down. And once you are down, that submission artist is going to break your fucking elbow or shoulder. All the superninja stuff in the world wont help once you are on your back with some dude mounting you.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Anyone watch MMA? It's a waste how many people put their kids in TKD.
GrymmDAOC posted:
sweeny_comodore posted:
GrymmDAOC posted:
sweeny_comodore posted: M
and i think a skilled TKD fighter would probably own most MMA fighters in a real fight.
like ive mentioned before, kidney spears, spleen hits, throat attacks, hits to the back of the neck and head, nut shots....
those are all valuable techniques that an MMA fighter wouldnt know how to counter because he doesnt have to deal with them in a ring, with rules against those types of shots.
Unless you train submission defense and takedown defense, you are going down, and you are going to be submitted. This was proven time and time again in the early years of MMA where there were almost no rules at all.
And MMA guys are perfectly capable of liver kicks and the like. Just ask Brock Lesnar.
reading comprehension is your friend
also, if you go back and actually read yould see that i already agreed with you about sport fighting
I mean no disrespect, but..
It doesn't matter if it it is on the 'street' or not not. Assuming weapons aren't a factor, if you do not know how to defend a takedown, you are going down. And once you are down, that submission artist is going to break your fucking elbow or shoulder. All the superninja stuff in the world wont help once you are on your back with some dude mounting you.
actually it does matter.
the ring has rules. the street doesnt
ever seen someone lips get ripped, eyes gouged out, ears boxed in an MMA ring?
ever notice how the ref stops the fight when someone gets kicked in the nuts? theres no ref in the street.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Anyone watch MMA? It's a waste how many people put their kids in TKD.
That right there is the problem.
Assume there's no weapon.
Assume it's a one on one.
Assume your enemy has honor.
Assume assume assume.
The last place I want to end up in a street fight is on the ground. While I've gotten past your guard, into the full mount and am applying my kamora rear naked choke armbar Americano, your buddy just smashed a glass bottle on my head and is stabbing me with the remainder. My buddies can point out i beat the first guy by almost choking him out... At my eulogy.
Personally, I'd rather figure out a way to defend myself while i retreat. I wouldn't knock those who train in the ground game though (as i said, i trained BJJ for about a year or two myself). Knowing how to put up a defense is important, as is learning how to fall.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Anyone watch MMA? It's a waste how many people put their kids in TKD.
sweeny_comodore posted:
GrymmDAOC posted:
sweeny_comodore posted:
GrymmDAOC posted:
sweeny_comodore posted: M
and i think a skilled TKD fighter would probably own most MMA fighters in a real fight.
like ive mentioned before, kidney spears, spleen hits, throat attacks, hits to the back of the neck and head, nut shots....
those are all valuable techniques that an MMA fighter wouldnt know how to counter because he doesnt have to deal with them in a ring, with rules against those types of shots.
Unless you train submission defense and takedown defense, you are going down, and you are going to be submitted. This was proven time and time again in the early years of MMA where there were almost no rules at all.
And MMA guys are perfectly capable of liver kicks and the like. Just ask Brock Lesnar.
reading comprehension is your friend
also, if you go back and actually read yould see that i already agreed with you about sport fighting
I mean no disrespect, but..
It doesn't matter if it it is on the 'street' or not not. Assuming weapons aren't a factor, if you do not know how to defend a takedown, you are going down. And once you are down, that submission artist is going to break your fucking elbow or shoulder. All the superninja stuff in the world wont help once you are on your back with some dude mounting you.
actually it does matter.
the ring has rules. the street doesnt
ever seen someone lips get ripped, eyes gouged out, ears boxed in an MMA ring?
ever notice how the ref stops the fight when someone gets kicked in the nuts? theres no ref in the street.
Of course there are refs in the street. That is the guy that usually gets hit next. My brother in law was in a fight in a bar once and a cop grabbed him by the shoulder to pull him away. He broke the cops jaw with an elbow smash as he thought he was being attacked. he spent a little time in jail but the cop admitted he should have let him know who he was before grabbing him in a heated moment.
I only stop street fights with help and if it looks to be heading in a deadly direction.
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a) You do realize there are no *actual* shaolin martial monks in existence
b) They are fighting an MMA match, with rules
c) If you can find me an example of a shaolin martial monk fighting a first rank MMA guy and winning (as opposed to a random chinese dude fighting a nobody) let me know.
when a *world champion* striker with no takedown or subimission goes against someone who knows what they are doing this is what happens
you know a martial monk is just a shaolin monk minus the religious mumbo jumbo, right?
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