MMA is a specific fight style (these days). clearly MMA trained fighters are better all around martial artists than the typical tae kwon do 8 year old.

the early UFC was awesome. i cant stand the UFC these days. UFC used to be all about putting two fighters in a ring and seeing who is better.

the big fat guys got beat up usually..

judo is a good fighting technique but for it to really be effective in the real world youd have to break peoples bones. you cant just pin someone down and say 'do you give up?!?'

breaking a persons elbow or shoulder because of a barroom argument seems like a nice way to get sued.

learn to box and youll be pretty safe in most situations.

Exactly.
All styles are basically equall.
The skill level of the artist is where the difference lies..
I would love to spar with anyone who's around my skill level. There's always something to learn.

Sport fighting may be dominated by wrestlers, but their rules would hurt them if it really came down to it.

 

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You guys are hilarious in your ignorance.

Take two eighteen year old kids of equal weight and build. Train one of them in wrestling for two years, the other in TKD for two years. Have them fight until one of them is knocked out or quits.

The wrestler will win every time this experiment is run.

Here, take a look at this.

"In 1971, Van Clief created his own style of martial arts, called "Chinese Goju," attempting to unify Japanese style goju-ryu with its roots in Chinese martial arts. He currently holds the rank of 10th degree red belt (shidoshi or grandmaster), in this system. On December 16, 1994, Ron Van Clief returned to the ring to fight in the 4th Ultimate Fighting Championship, as the oldest competitor to date to fight in the UFC at the age of 51.Van Clief's sole fight in the tournament was against Brazilian jiu-jitsu exponent Royce Gracie. Gracie won the match by submission with a rear naked choke near the four-minute mark. Ron went on to serve as the commissioner of the UFC. Ron Van Clief retired from competition in 2002 after winning the All American Karate Championship at 60 years old. Ron competed in over 900 tournaments in over 40 years on the tournament circuit. Ron Van Clief retired as a 5 time world karate/kungfu champion and 15 time all American champion."

One of the best Kung Fu practitioners in the world, defeated in four minutes by a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu practitioner.

Yeah - it's all about the guy not the fighting style.

So many luls in this thread.

I loved watching boxing growing up in the 70s and 80s and by the Tyson era, things had gone so far down the rabbit hole for that sport that Tyson's meltdown wasn't even a great loss as far as I was concerned - just another step towards the circus of absurdity that is pro wrestling.

For me back in the early 90s, I watched some UFC where Royce Gracie I think it was just turtled up on guys and then choked them out and it was like: "wow, we paid $45 for this?"

Then MMA came along and people were all like "ou gotta watch this man, it's brutal, look!" and I saw some youtubes of scrubs breaking bones in the under-undercard matches... then I saw some big time "main event" fight where some dude put Brock Lesner in a foot bar of some sort or other and got him to submit and realized what a pile of unentertaining garbage it was.

As for the whole Gracie thing, you can say what you want about him and his clan, but he/they basically put UFC/MMA on the map.

I studied a little judo in college, and a little TKD in a traditional class after. At the same time I was studying a little Weng Chun and some hybrid Aikido and Krav Maga stuff thrown into what the instructor called his "Urban Defense Tactics" class and I came to realize one thing about it all:

"The most important instruction I am getting here about fighting is to not get into one, and for the one in a million chance that I can't avoid a fight: have a gun."

After realizing that, all any martial art training was for me was a way to condition the body and achieve some physical and mental discipline - both good things - regardless of the actual art you're studying. Everything else is immaterial because I don't make my living in a MMA/UFC ring.

Everyone's got their hypothetical best case this and worst case that and this is better than that arguments and all of it is bullsiht. As noted above, it's about the skill of the artist and how they apply their skill that will make the difference.

 

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Yeah, pitting a FIFTY-ONE YEAR OLD guy no one has ever heard about using his own martial art vs. Royce Gracie using a very new style of fighting does not prove my point that it's about the person. No, not at all.

Dumbass.

 

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So you are an MMA expert because the sum total of your MMA experience is UFC 1 watching Brock Lesnar lose to Frank Mir by kneebar in the second fight of his career.

You do conform to the outpost standards. Everyone here in an f'in budget expert because they have a checkbook.


Also, Altra, define "new". BJJ was founded in 1882. Are you talking like, the vacuum tube is "new", or maybe new like the "light bulb" is new?

 

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I didn't say I was an expert, I said I thought it was unentertaining garbage.

I get that you wish you were some sort of MMA hard guy or something, but it doesn't make my opinions any less valid on this tripe.

You remind me of the 13 year old kids that would get all in your face if you said that their own favorite pro wrestler was a joke or that the sport was a joke - as if them screaming that JYD IS AWESOME! made it so...

 

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Anytime you want to come wrestle against my kungfu, you just let me know.

But I dont want to hear you cry when I seperate your knees or elbos.
And no complaining about being kicked in the nuts or speared in the kidneys either.


Most martial arts aren't really for sport fighting.
Tone it down to meet the rules of a sport match and of course the experienced sport fighter is going to win.

 

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You've got one hell of an imagination. I never said I was any kind of MMA guy, except a fan of the sport. You come into a thread about MMA fighting and spout "facts" about MMA fighting styles when your total experience is maybe two events spaced nearly 20 years apart.

Then you bring up professional wrasslin probably to cover the douche scent you are putting out right now, however, you could be comparing MMA to WWE, however, MMA is sanction in the same was as boxing, so are you saying Boxing = WWE?

I've already refuted your "most fights are boring submissions" argument so what is your point other than you are an expert on fighting styles you know nothing about?

 

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ROFL you are EXACTLY the kind of "rasslin" tard that used to get all in peoples' face who thought it was garbage. You're proving it for the third time in this thread.

When I was in 7th grade the rasslin douches used to get all hyped up about their silly TV show and whenever anyone made fun of it or them, they'd all start yelling and screaming at what a douche you were... and about how the JYD could beat your ass because you thought rasslin was stupid... or about how they could probably beat you up themselves because you thought Hulkamania was dumb...

You crack me the fk up dude. Seriously.

 

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